# The Mueller report. The week after its released **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 30, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699 "2019-01-30T23:39:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/141 "2019-02-01T08:26:05Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > If there’s a trial it looks like it will be a mob boss type deal. > > How hard it is to prove is going to be based on wordplay. > > According to this guy > [https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/23/opinions/mueller-trump-fruit-of-poisonous-tree-honig/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F](https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/23/opinions/mueller-trump-fruit-of-poisonous-tree-honig/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F) > > See the first question in the QA section at bottom. > Doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of faith in hard evidence of collusion but rather can they prove Trump’s ordering people to sabotage the investigation. So if he gets a real charge I’d guess it would be obstruction or something. Still waiting on that proof of Clinton giving Russia 20% of our uranium you said was ironclad days ago. Please, continue the gish-gallop as you leave unfounded accusations swimming in your wake like so many turds. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/142 "2019-02-01T11:31:30Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > And that’s just the tip of the ice burgh. “Iceburgh?” “It’s a little bitty place.” “Iceburgh!?” “Okay, I’ll just wipe it off, that’s all. It’s just a little town.” > [@Littleman](#): > > I didn’t know was always Hillary’s defense It really wasn’t. > [@Littleman](#): > > Doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of faith in hard evidence of collusion but rather can they prove Trump’s ordering people to sabotage the investigation. So if he gets a real charge I’d guess it would be obstruction or something. Remember Watergate? What did they go after Nixon for? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/143 "2019-02-01T11:52:19Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Remember Watergate? What did they go after Nixon for? Just you wait, that’s the next step - rehabilitating Nixon in defense of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/144 "2019-02-01T12:03:58Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Just you wait, that’s the next step - rehabilitating Nixon in defense of Trump. That would fit–I’m pretty sure the FBI arrested [one of Richard Nixon’s Horcruxes](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-nixon-tattoo/) last week. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/145 "2019-02-01T12:18:46Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > At the time this came out, Hillary was no longer SoS, wasn’t president or president-elect, was no longer a Senator. She was essentially a private citizen, right? What kind of security clearance would she have possessed to be revoked? many people keep clearances after they retire from their job. You might recall that from Trump talking about taking away clearances from people last year and many of them were no longer in government jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/146 "2019-02-01T13:41:54Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > many people keep clearances after they retire from their job. You might recall that from Trump talking about taking away clearances from people last year and many of them were no longer in government jobs. Many civilian jobs require clearances ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/147 "2019-02-01T14:39:10Z")
And typically they are good for 10 years ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/148 "2019-02-01T17:43:29Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > …No, it _really_ couldn’t. > > …No, not even close. > > I’m sure you would. This is the same party that entertained birtherism for ages. That doesn’t mean that it’s actually the same thing. > > Buddy… You have _no idea what you’re talking about_. Where do you live, candyland? List\_of\_American\_federal\_politicians\_convicted\_of\_crimes That’s just major convictions. Not investigations. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/149 "2019-02-01T18:05:14Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Where do you live, candyland? > > List\_of\_American\_federal\_politicians\_convicted\_of\_crimes > > That’s just major convictions. Not investigations. Was that supposed to be a link? A search with those words yields over a dozen different lists. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/150 "2019-02-01T18:19:04Z")
This commentary basically says what I was poorly trying to say. [https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-hanson-mueller-mccabe-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-james-comey-huma-abedin-investigation-0430-story,amp.html](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-hanson-mueller-mccabe-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-james-comey-huma-abedin-investigation-0430-story,amp.html) And reminds me of things like Hillary destroying evidence requested in an investigation, clearly obstruction. Bill was proven to have also lied to Congress in investigations. The same actions some of these Trump aides were actually convicted for but what were the Clinton’s consequences? I’m not even trying to outline a double standard or defend Trump , just point out these things rarely go much of anywhere and the higher up you are , the less likely you are to see any real consequences. Some aides, a lawyer get convicted… Doesn’t give me much faith Trump will. Peons commonly take the fall. I’ve seen a case where an officer tried to sneak an AK back from Iraq and was caught…who served time for it? The nco he had cast the parts into a concrete guidon base. If you think Trump is going to be impeached and you want that I’m afraid you are being a bit too optimistic. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/151 "2019-02-01T18:20:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Was that supposed to be a link? A search with those words yields over a dozen different lists. Yeah , just a wiki. I’m sure it’s not comprehensive but it’s just showing there are more than plenty. > **[List of American federal politicians convicted of crimes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_crimes)** > > This list consists of American politicians convicted of crimes either committed or prosecuted while holding office in the federal government. It includes politicians who were convicted or pleaded guilty in a court of law; and does not include politicians involved in unprosecuted scandals (which may or may not have been illegal in nature), or politicians who have only been arrested or indicted. The list also does not include crimes that occur outside the politician's tenure unless they specific... ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/152 "2019-02-01T18:31:21Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Bill was proven to have also lied to Congress in investigations. > > The same actions some of these Trump aides were actually convicted for but what were the Clinton’s consequences? I seem to remember Bill being impeached. Did my brain make that up? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/153 "2019-02-01T18:39:39Z")
Anyone want to give me the over-under on whether any of myriad unsourced claims in that article hold up? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/154 "2019-02-01T19:09:16Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Anyone want to give me the over-under on whether any of myriad unsourced claims in that article hold up? About as well as the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/155 "2019-02-01T19:39:14Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > And reminds me of things like Hillary destroying evidence requested in an investigation, clearly obstruction. Wat? That never happened. Where do you get your news from? ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/156 "2019-02-01T19:50:11Z")
That and I think most of Washington knows most of Washington is breaking a rule somewhere. Just seems to be a trend that Everytime one party doesn’t get their way all of a sudden there’s accusations and investigations flying around because waaah we didn’t get our way instead of focusing on how now can we best forward our own agenda with this person in place. ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/157 "2019-02-01T19:52:26Z")
> [@Littleman](#): > > Not the way you do. > Still seems like semantics to me if your campaign is gathering Intel through connections to a foreign power. The biggest risk here is the implied quid pro quo that comes with working directly with the foreign power. Acting through an independent third party (that is not empowered to either negotiate on the campaign’s behalf, conspire to break US law, or even know/reveal the source of funding) provides an inherent buffer against any claims of quid pro quo. Sure, if the Russians somehow figured out that Steele worked for Fusion GPS who worked for Perkins Coie who worked for the Clinton campaign, and the Russians hated Trump, they could have _conceivably_ fed him some information to help Clinton/hurt Trump, but there would be no expectation of anything in return. It’s kinda like the difference between a boss propositioning an employee directly, and a boss asking a friend to help him find a date, so the friend creates an anonymous [match.com](http://match.com) account that happens to match with the same employee. Does this not make sense to you? ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/158 "2019-02-01T19:54:42Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Wat? That never happened. Where do you get your news from? Yes I know, no Democrat has ever committed a crime. Any accusation of such is either made up or unfounded because they paid someone to do it for them rather than do it themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/159 "2019-02-01T19:55:55Z")
> [@YamatoTwinkie](#): > > The biggest risk here is the implied quid pro quo that comes with working directly with the foreign power. > Acting through an independent third party (that is not empowered to either negotiate on the campaign’s behalf, conspire to break US law, or even know/reveal the source of funding) provides an inherent buffer against any claims of quid pro quo. > > Sure, if the Russians somehow figured out that Steele worked for Fusion GPS who worked for Perkins Coie who worked for the Clinton campaign, and the Russians hated Trump, they could have _conceivably_ fed him some information to help Clinton/hurt Trump, but there would be no expectation of anything in return. > > It’s kinda like the difference between a boss propositioning an employee directly, and a boss asking a friend to help him find a date, so the friend creates an anonymous [match.com](http://match.com) account that happens to match with the same employee. > > Does this not make sense to you? This actually makes some sense, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Littleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@Littleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Littleman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699/160 "2019-02-01T19:58:52Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I seem to remember Bill being impeached. Did my brain make that up? Yes and took it happening twice to reach that point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mueller-report-the-week-after-its-released/828699.md?page=9)