# The Muppets Go To Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2004, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935 "2004-02-19T03:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2004, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/21 "2004-02-19T22:43:30Z")
> [@teemingONE](#): > > And here I was hoping it was gonna be something like _Kermit’s Divine Comedy_. \*It’s not easy, being damned…\* ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/22 "2004-02-20T00:49:21Z")
> [@](#): > > It makes me sad, so sad, that Disney was allowed to buy the rights to the Muppets. Jim Henson is probably rolling in his grave. The late Jim Henson _ **initiated** _ the sale to Disney. He thought it would be the perfect place for them. The deal only feel thru when he suddenly died. > [@](#): > > I grew up with the Muppet Show and Sesame Street The rights to the Sesame Street characters are retained by CTW (Children’s Television Workshop) and not part of the deal. ---
**Author:** ![moriah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@moriah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moriah)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/23 "2004-02-20T07:56:04Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > I fear that the Evil Mouse will strip the edge off the Muppets. Listen, you’re coming real close to a Pitting if you keep spouting off complete nonsense like this. We get it. You hate Disney with a passion. Just stop saying moronic things like the above. The so-called Evil Mouse can have an edge. That’s why they spun off Buena Vista and Touchstone and acquired Miramax pictures to do PG and R movies too edgy for the Disney ‘G’ trademark. Since the muppet team will still be doing the creative work, there’s no reason to believe that Disney will de-edge the humor. Were the Pixar movies de-edged by the Disney touch? For pete’s sake, even in Disney’s “The Lion King” we had a father die, and the hero helped out by an obviously gay couple. And that’s with the Disney brand. And the Muppet 3-D, which has been mentioned many times as an example that Disney and muppets can get along just fine is the biggest rebuttal of your absurd claim that Disney will take away the muppet edge. Break down, buy a Disney-MGM ticket and go see it, and switch to decaffienated. Peace. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/24 "2004-02-20T08:51:46Z")
> [@Duderdude2](#): > > Bah, I can’t stand Jim Hill’s nonsensical ramblings. So do I. Many people like to cite his articles, but every time I’ve tried to read them they just annoy me. Either he’s a very irritating person in real life, or he’s just a really bad writer - something is making me dislike him. ---
**Author:** ![Juniper200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@Juniper200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Juniper200)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/25 "2004-02-20T09:07:53Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > For pete’s sake, even in Disney’s “The Lion King” we had a father die, and the hero helped out by an obviously gay couple. Wow. I’ve read some slash fiction in my time (ask me about the _Finding Nemo_ stories sometime – I dare you.), but…god damn. I never thought of it that way. Timon, he’s so little! But then again, he’s Nathan Lane! My whole worldview is kind of shaky now… Re: Muppets, I’ll wait and see. Recent Henson collaborations, like the one that led to the Odyssey Network have lacked oomph; I’m interested in what will come out of a deal with real money behind it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/26 "2004-02-20T12:25:31Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > For pete’s sake, even in Disney’s “The Lion King” we had a father die, and the hero helped out by an obviously gay couple. And that’s with the Disney brand. Disney just loves to kill parents. Or have them dead before the movie begins. I am shocked that we haven’t seen _Bambi II: The Revenge_. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/27 "2004-02-20T12:53:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Never been to Disneyland/World. You couldn’t pay me. Well, you COULD, but it’d have to be a lot of money AND I would have to get to punch Mickey Mouse in the head. You are so wrong about this. The parks aren’t kidding when they say its the happiest place on earth. Its awesomely, impossibly fun to go there; and there’s new stuff and old favorites for every visit. And it’s surprisingly cheap, if you plan right. > [@](#): > > and the hero helped out by an obviously gay couple. My eyes! The goggles, they do nothing! ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/28 "2004-02-20T13:21:16Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > in Disney’s “The Lion King” we had … the hero helped out by an obviously gay couple. So…who do you think is the pitcher and who’s the catcher? ---
**Author:** ![Genghis\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/29 "2004-02-20T13:26:24Z")
> [@Nutty Bunny](#): > > . . . > There is a world of difference between “The Muppet Movie” and ANY Disney movie. I liked “Shrek” and “Monsters, Inc.”, but they’re nowhere near as hip and funny as “The Muppet Movie”, even “Muppets Take Manhattan. . . **Nutty Bunny** , \*Shrek \* was not a Disney movie. It was from Dreamworks. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecccb3/32.png) [@Evil\_Death](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Death)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/30 "2004-02-20T13:36:09Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > It’s not uncommon for people to dismiss everything Disney does as evil, or insipid, or both. [ Nor is it uncommon for people to say the Pope is Catholic, or he lives in the Vatican, or both. Disney have produced nothing but total dreck for a decade and more now, and no amount of nostalgia for the days when they made good movies will change that. Roy Disney regrets turning the company over to Michael “Animation AIDS” Eisner and his scum-sucking moneygrubbers with every breath he draws. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/31 "2004-02-20T17:17:58Z")
I’m suprised that no one has noticed publicy that one of the major characters of the most popular traditionaly animated toon disney has had recently is a male crossdresser who “likes it” and has at least one or two gags with lilos older sister over either stealing her clothes or its attempt to buy/wear womens clothing in the episodes of the series As for the op maybe they can go back to making the good muppete movies like treasure island amd christmas charol and less dreck like muppets in space and weak tv shows ---
**Author:** ![Duderdude2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@Duderdude2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duderdude2)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/32 "2004-02-20T19:40:07Z")
> [@smiling bandit](#): > > You are so wrong about this. The parks aren’t kidding when they say its the happiest place on earth. Its awesomely, impossibly fun to go there; and there’s new stuff and old favorites for every visit. > > And it’s surprisingly cheap, if you plan right. I totally agree, but unfortunately, some people are so dead-set in their ways that they’re oblivious to what they’re missing out on. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/33 "2004-02-20T20:57:02Z")
Moved to the Pit at the OP’s request. ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/34 "2004-02-20T21:50:23Z")
Anyone remember the “NBC Bookmobile” bit on Letterman, back when he was on NBC? They showed a book called _The Muppets All Die And Go To Hell_. I would guess that was around 1984 or so – it appears in [_Late Night With David Letterman - The Book._](http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-glance/Y02Y0806043Y2505206/qid=1077313742/sr=1-/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3/002-2135495-3688017) Eerie premonition or meaningless coincidence? You be the judge. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/35 "2004-02-20T22:50:36Z")
> [@smiling bandit](#): > > You are so wrong about this. The parks aren’t kidding when they say its the happiest place on earth. Its awesomely, impossibly fun to go there; and there’s new stuff and old favorites for every visit. > > And it’s surprisingly cheap, if you plan right. Why does this not intice me? I like being happy just as much as the next guy, but I’ve seen home videos of friends who went. It’s so horribly sweet and nice I’m afraid I’ll get diabetes if I go. I’ll pass, thank you. And since Ukelele Ike was so kind to move this thread, I fucking hate Disney! ---
**Author:** ![moriah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@moriah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moriah)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2004, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/36 "2004-02-20T23:56:06Z")
_“The evil rat will squeeze the life out of the muppet franchise through overexposure in lame spin offs.”_ Two words for ya: **Muppet Babies** Not scary enough? Try this: Pizza commercials with Jessica Simpson. Now, who’s up for claiming that Disney will cheapen the franchise? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/37 "2004-02-21T00:15:21Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > _“The evil rat will squeeze the life out of the muppet franchise through overexposure in lame spin offs.”_ > > Two words for ya: **Muppet Babies** > > Not scary enough? Try this: Pizza commercials with Jessica Simpson. > > Now, who’s up for claiming that Disney will cheapen the franchise? _Muppet Babies_ DID suck, I’ll give you that, but that’s just one. Just wait til ole Diz gets a hold of them. I can only I don’t see either of the following: 1. A Muppetized version of Mickey or Donald (or any of the others). 2. A cartoonized version of Kermit and company. I definitely will go mental if I see characters from both franchises cavorting together onscreen. I said dilute, not cheapen, BTW. I cringe when I see the Muppets in commercials, too, but if Snoopy can sell insurance… ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/38 "2004-02-21T00:38:50Z")
When I first saw this I thought it would be about Dr Feel (aka Dr Phil) on Sesame Street… I will refrain from making a decision about this deal until I see what happens with it. They may suck the life out of the Muppets, they may even do some good things. We shall see which in the fullness of time. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/39 "2004-02-21T00:52:36Z")
> [@Obsidian Flutterby](#): > > When I first saw this I thought it would be about Dr Feel (aka Dr Phil) on Sesame Street… > > I will refrain from making a decision about this deal until I see what happens with it. They may suck the life out of the Muppets, they may even do some good things. We shall see which in the fullness of time. Even if they produce something good, enjoying it will be like accepting blood money. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935/40 "2004-02-21T01:06:37Z")
As far as Disney taking the edge off of the Muppets … ever see “Runaway Brain?” But sadly, what will probably happen is that you won’t see the live-action muppets anymore but CGI muppets. That’s the direction they’re going. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-go-to-hell/229935.md?page=3)