# The Muppets! New show on ABC **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 22, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209 "2015-09-22T14:43:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/141 "2016-02-03T01:17:49Z")
I don’t think it’s a drastic reboot, just some tweaking of a few things. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/142 "2016-02-03T02:44:36Z")
I think this show would have done a lot better if they just brought back the old format they had back in the day. Not loving this current version. And this is coming from a guy who usually _likes_ reboots. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/143 "2016-03-01T18:02:20Z")
The final two episodes of the season are on tonight. ABC hasn’t announced if they’ll renew the show as yet. I do hope it’s renewed next season. I’ve been enjoying it. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/144 "2016-03-01T18:13:41Z")
I watched a few episodes since the ‘reboot’ and I like it better. The early episodes were too angsty. Miss Piggy was too awful to bear. The newer ones I watched were more Muppets vs bad guy which is more fun. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/145 "2016-03-02T19:09:58Z")
I soooo hope they bring this back. The writing and the “acting” are just fantastic. Rapid-fire wit, like \*30 Rock \*or _Community_. I don’t think I can live without Uncle Deadly in my life. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/146 "2016-03-03T02:47:57Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > I soooo hope they bring this back. The writing and the “acting” are just fantastic. Rapid-fire wit, like \*30 Rock \*or _Community_. > > I don’t think I can live without Uncle Deadly in my life. Deadly used to scare the crap out of me when I was a kid (he was “the Phantom of the Muppet Theater”), but I think turning him into Piggy’s ambiguously gay dresser was a stroke of genius. ---
**Author:** ![DKW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dkw/32/3118_2.png) [@DKW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DKW)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/147 "2016-03-04T19:13:14Z")
Just watched the finale. My verdict on the season… …it’s okay. Nothing spectacular, nothing LOL, nothing particularly memorable, just a cute, harmless little puppet show. Toning down the nastiness and cynicism was a great move; IMO this may be what saved it. It’s okay to show Gonzo’s bad decision making, but don’t have him go behind Kermit’s back and all but brag about it. It’s okay to show Miss Piggy’s snootiness and impulsiveness, but an officewide rampage (at not having a date for an award ceremony, at that) that makes us wonder why the hell anyone’s willing to work for her is way over the line. The moments of humanity (Pepe, Rizzo, and Gonzo moving in together, Sam’s attempts to woo Janice, pretty much anything involving Rowlf) were very welcome. I don’t recall any guest stars who really stood out, although Dave Grohl’s insane duel with Animal was pretty entertaining. Am I hoping for a second season? Truth be told, I don’t care much either way. If there is, fine, if not, I have plenty of other venues for passable laughs. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/148 "2016-03-04T23:06:16Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Deadly used to scare the crap out of me when I was a kid (he was “the Phantom of the Muppet Theater”), but I think turning him into Piggy’s ambiguously gay dresser was a stroke of genius. I think his very first appearance was for the episode that Vincent Price hosted, I know I have always associated Deadly with late great Mr. Price. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/149 "2016-03-05T00:49:47Z")
So I watched the last two of the season. What the hell is Deadly? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/150 "2016-03-05T01:59:47Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I think turning him into Piggy’s ambiguously gay dresser was a stroke of genius. He directs and performs in gender-switched community theatre. He’s proud to be Piggy’s friend but wouldn’t make a move on her. Nothing ambiguous about it. Love the show, hope it comes back. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/151 "2016-03-05T02:16:36Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > So I watched the last two of the season. What the hell is Deadly? He was originally a ghost or demon or something like that. He was the spirit of a frustrated actor who died in the old Muppet Theater and haunted it. Kind of like a Phantom of the Vaudeville. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/152 "2016-03-05T14:49:26Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > So I watched the last two of the season. What the hell is Deadly? > [@jayjay](#): > > He was originally a ghost or demon or something like that. He was the spirit of a frustrated actor who died in the old Muppet Theater and haunted it. Kind of like a Phantom of the Vaudeville. And at some point later he was described as a Dragon-like muppet. Plus originally he wasn’t even the phantom but some Muppet designed to work with Vincent Price. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/153 "2016-03-05T15:45:05Z")
I hope they bring it back too. If not, do a spinoff with just Uncle Deadly. Now, there’s a guy who could host a late-night talk show. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/154 "2016-03-05T16:31:58Z")
I’ve become a real fan of Pepe the Prawn. ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/155 "2016-03-07T18:26:11Z")
Rizzo being fished out of Carl’s stomach, “It looks like an episode of Hoarders in here.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/156 "2016-03-07T18:47:01Z")
I’ve really enjoyed the slow arc of the slow transformation from Ms. Piggy’s personal vehicle into the old Muppet show. I’d been hoping that the last episode would end with Kermit himself replacing the DJ as the guest host. All in all, I really enjoyed this incarnation of the Muppets. Sure it took some time finding its legs, but these are old characters with long histories and the writers are trying to do new things with them. It takes time. I hope they get a little more of it. ---
**Author:** ![gotpasswords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c57346/32.png) [@gotpasswords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gotpasswords)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/157 "2016-03-09T21:17:50Z")
The handful of drive-bys with really old bits like Veterinarian’s Hospital and the Mahna Mahna Snowths were fun. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/158 "2016-05-13T17:56:31Z")
_The Muppets_ cancelled. > **[‘The Muppets’ Cancelled by ABC](https://variety.com/2016/tv/news/the-muppets-cancelled-by-abc-1201773341/)** > > ABC has cancelled comedy series “The Muppets.” The show will not be picked up for a second season. The decision to pull the plug on the show came after a midseason show runner change fa… Probably no surprise to anybody. The show was criticized as “too adult” and out of step with the Muppets’ history and needed to be retooled mid-season, but I liked it. ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/159 "2016-05-13T18:10:51Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > _The Muppets_ cancelled. > > [http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/the-muppets-cancelled-by-abc-1201773341/](http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/the-muppets-cancelled-by-abc-1201773341/) > > Probably no surprise to anybody. The show was criticized as “too adult” and out of step with the Muppets’ history and needed to be retooled mid-season, but I liked it. Nooooo ☹ Poor Muppets…they’ll never know the joy of their golden years again… ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-muppets-new-show-on-abc/732209/160 "2016-05-13T18:32:31Z")
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