Right that’s just the difference between back of house and front of house.
I apologize. I misunderstood what you were saying.
Wow. A week of PTO after the first year?
Cripes - when I started working at my current job we got 5 days after the first 90 days.
How flexible is the work schedule? Again, when I started, which place has you work 5 days out of 7, I had some ability to request particular days as the ones I had off so I could do things various things in life that required appointments - does this job allow that or are you subject totally to the whims of the owner/manager?
Respect, dignity and team support in a restaurant setting? I am dubious. I am especially dubious knowing what shits the general public can be (can be, not always - most people are civilized but boy howdy it one takes one asshole to ruin everybody’s day). But maybe it is a great place to work most of the time.
Look, this may be not that bad but honestly I see a few flags that indicate to me that this job may have some downsides. I’ll stay where I’m at, even if I’m not quite earning $20/hour because the ability to have a life outside work and 16 paid days off a year, along with retirement and a better deal on health insurance than these folks are offering are all worth something to me. The 401(k) is nice, too.
I’m sure other people can make the same calculation.
And that’s another reason why some employers are having a hard time hiring right now.
Ok, let’s play a game. What would it take per hour for you to take this job?
Yeah, those benefits are absolute trash. Not that I’d expect better of a job in the American service industry, but for real. Not worth dealing with irregular hour scheduling, certainly.
Depends, am I me, with the options currently available to me? Or am I someone in the position of “get a job, any job, RIGHT NOW or end up on the street”?
I guess this is a classic example of the free-market at work. Within your own company, offer better “perks” for the harder to fill positions while continuing to crap on the others. I think this illustrates why the restaurant industry is struggling to fill positions. When you have even Walmart offering free college to employees, it’s going to be tough to compete.
You’re Broomstick or at least someone in the position she described.
Sure. If every job paid equally I sure wouldn’t have the job I have now. We’ve seen people in this thread talk about how they wouldn’t take management positions because they would have additional stress so managers need to make more to make up for it.
I’m not disputing that. I’m arguing about paying and treating certain employees like shit. Full-time jobs with no medical, no paid leave, etc. Absolute shit! They can still be paid lower, but at least give the basics you need to survive with a bit of dignity and lower stress level. With these types of shit jobs, you better pray you don’t get sick. Get sick, lose your job, lose your apartment, etc.
With wages and benefits like that, the owner of the restaurant may be better off just taking a restaurant job rather than trying to run their own restaurant. What kind of income does the owner of a college pizza place make anyway? I would think a regular job paying $40k/yr with a normal work week, vacation, health benefits, and none of the stress of managing a restaurant would start to look pretty enticing to the owner who may be making about the same (?) but working 80+ hours a week and dealing with all the stress of running a business.
Hey man, I’m only responding to what you yourself posted about this one pizza place. You didn’t say anything about “over two months” before. And I didn’t ask them to do anything, you must be thinking of another poster.
But yes, in our capitalist system, the solution to labor shortages is to offer higher wages (and/or benefits and/or perks and/or bonuses and/or amazing work environment) to attract more employees. Is this controversial to you?
I am sympathetic to restaurant owners. My understanding is that restaurants are low-margin businesses and often operate on a knife’s edge of profitability. I’ve been ordering take-out from my local favs throughout the pandemic when in-person dining was not possible and tipping lavishly. But I am even more sympathetic to restaurant workers, who bust their asses for damn low wages and put up with all kinds of nonsense from entitled diners. And if they don’t think the wage they are getting is worth it for them to continue, who am I to argue? I absolutely think the solution is to pay them more. And if that means prices have to go up on what I order, so be it.
I agree. It’s basically the same crap that says it is okay to pay women less because it’s only “pin money.”
It’s not just about the money.
Or did you skip over where I said I’m currently making less than they are offering and I wouldn’t switch?
I need a somewhat stable schedule. I need to be able to take a day off from time to time to do things like go to the dentist or get my vehicles worked on. I need to be able to have a life outside of work. I need time to travel to visit my remaining relatives who are 500+ miles away.
If it were that job and homelessness yeah, I’d take it. But it’s not - there are other jobs that are more appealing to me even if they pay less an hour. I think that’s something that some people can’t wrap their heads around: it’s not just about the money.
Not to mention that with how ludicrously expensive health insurance is in the US that the 49% you pay for is gonna be quite a lot of money. Easily 10% or more of that income (assuming you get that $20 an hour for a full 40 hours a week, which in food service is quite the assumption, and it’s not like your health insurance costs less a month if you work fewer hours…)
Yeah I think the full cost of my plan was ~$8500 last year. For individual coverage (we’re not all on the same plan.)
$20/hr x 40 hours = $800 (gross)
$8500/year insurance - 50% = $4250/year = $81.73/week = 10.22% of $800
ETA: Aye; I forgot to halve the yearly but i fixed it now.
It isn’t QUITE that bad because the company is paying 51% of that cost. So it’s “only” 10% of your (pre-tax) income disappearing down the drain.
Though again, it assumes 40 hours per week.
Eta: I see you corrected your post. So yeah, 10% (my WAG) turned out spot on.
Eta2: of course then if you actually have health issues we’re getting into co-pays and deductibles…
I’ve heard it’s much better to work at Walmart than in years past. It’s above minimum wage in my state ($11 or $15 vs $8 something). Apparently they will even pay for college education.
~Max
Is this your employer’s plan? Because my understanding is, if your employer’s plan requires 10% or more of your income, you qualify for a subsidized plan on the exchange.
For a recent topic I put the healthcare.gov commercial to the test, plugged in minimum wage numbers, and indeed qualified for a decent plan with a $10/mo premium.
~Max
No, it’s based on the plan that was advertised in this thread, where they pay 51% of your insurance. My company pays all of my insurance.