# The naked swimmer in Jaws **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 24, 2004, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790 "2004-05-24T14:13:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/1 "2004-05-24T14:13:07Z")
That’s not exactly the point of the question, but I figured a lot more people would open the thread. Anyway, at the beginning of the movie, a group of teenagers are skinny dipping when the shark makes its first attack and kills the blonde Was this the first scary movie where a young, attractive, barely clad (often blond) teenager was attacked by a relentless killer to set the scene for the inevitable showdown between good vs. evil? ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/2 "2004-05-24T14:43:23Z")
I don’t know my history of horror movies well enough to state if any other movies with that trope came before. I would, however, argue that while Jaws does start they way you describe, I consider it to be a very different movie than the horror movies you think it precedes. Other than that basic plot device, I think of Jaws as a thriller/action movie, not a horror/slasher movie, so the fact that they share that plot device doesn’t feel related. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/3 "2004-05-24T14:50:49Z")
What **WordMan** said. Also, _The Texas Chainsaw Massacre_ preceded _Jaws_ by a year. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/4 "2004-05-24T14:52:19Z")
Yeah, in many books and sites I’ve opened, _Jaws_ is listed as the first of the summer blockbuster action/thriller movies. Seems like Hitcock’s _Psycho_ had Vivian Lee killed pretty early in the film. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/5 "2004-05-24T15:16:25Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > I would, however, argue that while Jaws does start they way you describe, I consider it to be a very different movie than the horror movies you think it precedes. Other than that basic plot device, I think of Jaws as a thriller/action movie, not a horror/slasher movie, so the fact that they share that plot device doesn’t feel related. Point taken, so let me restate the question. Did slasher movie directors rip off the “let’s kill the sexy teenagers” plot device from Jaws? If not, who started it? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/6 "2004-05-24T15:33:26Z")
Hitchcock’s _Frenzy_ (1972) is a better example than Psycho, except that it was a strangler not a slasher. But [this movie](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053961/) was even earlier. ---
**Author:** ![FilmGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@FilmGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FilmGeek)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/7 "2004-05-24T15:35:50Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Yeah, in many books and sites I’ve opened, _Jaws_ is listed as the first of the summer blockbuster action/thriller movies. > > Seems like Hitcock’s _Psycho_ had Vivian Lee killed pretty early in the film. Um… I think you mean Janet Leigh. I can’t imagine Norman Bates going after Scarlett O’Hara in the shower. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/8 "2004-05-24T15:37:50Z")
Also check out 1974’s [Black Christmas](http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0071222/combined), the first of the “holiday”-themed slasher movies and a big influence on John Carpenter’s **Halloween**. (In fact, I read that Halloween was originally developed as a sequel to 'Christmas, but I’m not sure how reliable that is.) It has a good cast (Olivia Hussey, Margot Kidder, Keir Dulea, John Saxon) and is quite scary and atmospheric. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/9 "2004-05-24T15:47:45Z")
> [@FilmGeek](#): > > Um… I think you mean Janet Leigh. I can’t imagine Norman Bates going after Scarlett O’Hara in the shower. 😃 :smack: Would make good fanfic, tho! ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/10 "2004-05-24T17:34:56Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Did slasher movie directors rip off the “let’s kill the sexy teenagers” plot device from Jaws? If not, who started it? I believe the prototypical teen slasher movie was actually a Spanish film, [La Residencia](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064888/) (1969). (Released in the US as The House That Screamed.) I recall seeing it as a wee lad and being deeply disturbed by it. I think you can watch that film and see that a lot of later teen slasher flicks borrowed heavily from it. Of course, my knowledge of slasher flicks is hardly encyclopedic, so there may be other earlier examples. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecccb3/32.png) [@Evil\_Death](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Death)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/11 "2004-05-24T22:40:38Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > Also check out 1974’s [Black Christmas](http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0071222/combined), the first of the “holiday”-themed slasher movies and a big influence on John Carpenter’s **Halloween**. (In fact, I read that Halloween was originally developed as a sequel to 'Christmas, but I’m not sure how reliable that is.) Totally unreliable, though Hallowe’en was influenced a little by it. You’re right, though; it’s a really good film, and even after thirty years of clones it wears its cliche baggage well. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/12 "2004-05-24T22:45:27Z")
Don’t forget [_Peeping Tom_](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054167/) in 1960. That opens with the murder of an attractive woman (a prostitute), I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecccb3/32.png) [@Evil\_Death](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Death)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2004, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/13 "2004-05-24T22:47:40Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > I believe the prototypical teen slasher movie was actually a Spanish film, [La Residencia](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064888/) (1969). (Released in the US as The House That Screamed.) I recall seeing it as a wee lad and being deeply disturbed by it. I think you can watch that film and see that a lot of later teen slasher flicks borrowed heavily from it. > > Of course, my knowledge of slasher flicks is hardly encyclopedic, so there may be other earlier examples. (Sorry for the double-post, but I overlooked this one.) Made in 1960, Michael Powell’s [Peeping Tom](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054167/) is frequently considered to be the prototype slasher movie. If you get a chance to see it, do; despite being banned for many years in several countries and effectively ending director Michael Powell’s career, it’s a milestone movie. ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2004, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/14 "2004-05-25T00:26:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Also check out 1974’s Black Christmas, the first of the “holiday”-themed slasher movies More importantly, wasn’t this the first movie to use the now clichéd _ **’the calls are coming from inside the house’** _ bit? **++++SPOILERS++++** Even if it wasn’t the first, it used it quite well. When the phone company guy finally gets a good trace, he tells John Saxon (the cop) the address and Saxon replies, “You idiot, that’s the address they’re going to!” and then the phone guy calmly just replies, “its also where they’re coming from”. And Saxon suddenly remembers being told earlier about the old extra line in the attic. And he doesn’t say all this, you just had to figure it out like he does. Then the naive rookie cop (the one whom Margot Kidder played the ‘fellatio-6’ phone exchange joke on) is told this, and then told to call the house and get them to leave but **without** freaking them out by telling them the killer is there. And he’s so unexperienced he eventually breaks down and does tell Olivia Hussey (schwing!!) that he’s there. Sounds really corny now, but it was cool 30 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/15 "2004-05-26T19:36:05Z")
_Black Christmas_ kicks ass. It’s not the scariest movie ever or anything like that, but I dig it. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-naked-swimmer-in-jaws/246790/16 "2004-05-26T22:21:56Z")
> [@Evil Death](#): > > (Sorry for the double-post, but I overlooked this one.) > > Made in 1960, Michael Powell’s [Peeping Tom](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054167/) is frequently considered to be the prototype slasher movie. If you get a chance to see it, do; despite being banned for many years in several countries and effectively ending director Michael Powell’s career, it’s a milestone movie. Judging from the description, **Peeping Tom** fits the OP, but it doesn’t sound like a _teen_ slasher movie. At least not in the (now-) conventional way. **La Residencia** (1969) has most of the elements: a discrete group of teenagers being stalked and picked off one-by-one by a killer. Tensions mount and teens get panicky as their numbers dwindle. Is there any movie earlier than **La Residencia** which followed this (now-formulaic) pattern?