# The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907 "2019-01-17T01:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/181 "2019-01-26T02:58:08Z")
[Pelosi Statement on Special Counsel Indictment and Arrest of Trump Campaign Advisor Roger Stone](https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/12519-4/) Quoted in full - it’s a public press release, so I’d think it’s kosher to do so. > [@](#): > > The indictment of Roger Stone makes clear that there was a deliberate, coordinated attempt by top Trump campaign officials to influence the 2016 election and subvert the will of the American people. It is staggering that the President has chosen to surround himself with people who violated the integrity of our democracy and lied to the FBI and Congress about it. > > “In the face of 37 indictments, the President’s continued actions to undermine the Special Counsel investigation raise the questions: what does Putin have on the President, politically, personally or financially? Why has the Trump Administration continued to discuss pulling the U.S. out of NATO, which would be a massive victory for Putin? > > “Lying to Congress and witness tampering constitute grave crimes. All who commit these illegal acts should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. We cannot allow any effort to intimidate witnesses or prevent them from appearing before Congress. > > “The Special Counsel investigation is working, and the House will continue to exercise our constitutional oversight responsibility and ensure that the Special Counsel investigation can continue free from interference from the White House. This was also released as a series of Twitter tweets, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/182 "2019-01-26T03:24:32Z")
Holy crap. She’s really breaking it down for people. I’m sure the base will claim she’s lying, but Orange Turd can’t say this is fake news. HIS FBI raised Stone’s house. HIS DOJ is approving all this. I’m hoping for more Mueller indictments before this 3-week bullshit-temporary relief is over. Hopefully some more work gets done before the next shutdown. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/183 "2019-01-26T03:36:31Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Right, but if he goes back to the same well, he will just get another round of the political pain he got this time. I just can’t put it past Trump to demonstrate any political wisdom. He acts on pure spite frequently, motivated by his desire to be the center of attention. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/184 "2019-01-26T03:38:13Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > \<\\> > > You don’t hear many House Democrats these days grumbling about Pelosi’s leadership. But you hear plenty of Republicans lamenting Trump’s. I wonder, if you were to go back and interview those opposed, whether they’re still in opposition… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/185 "2019-01-26T04:34:23Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I just can’t put it past Trump to demonstrate any political wisdom. He acts on pure spite frequently, motivated by his desire to be the center of attention. Trump absolutely will want to do something deeply stupid in order to get his wall. Thursday made it look like McConnell was fresh out of patience with him. McConnell is a deeply awful person, but he’s also an expert politician. If he lets Trump know that his plays won’t be backed, Trump loses a lot of power. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/186 "2019-01-26T05:23:48Z")
That is what is weirdest about our age. Past Presidents have cared about their party’s reputation. For Trump, everything is personal psychology. Second weirdest is that he still has a base of support. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/187 "2019-01-26T09:26:25Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I just can’t put it past Trump to demonstrate any political wisdom. He acts on pure spite frequently, motivated by his desire to be the center of attention. It seems obvious this is likely but the political skill shown by Mrs Pelosi should give confidence that he would lose again so long as the Democrats follow her and follow a disciplined message not too Left, keep unity against him. The quote from above from the article seems very good > [@](#): > > Pelosi has long held that Trump is weak, easily confused, and easily baited. That informed her strategy. Along with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, she baited Trump into saying, while the cameras were rolling, “I will shut down the government. I am proud to shut down the government. I will take the mantle.” In interviews and meetings, she tweaked the president, calling the crisis “the Trump shutdown” to Trump’s face and suggesting the billionaire thought furloughed workers “could just ask their father for more money.” She was betting that Trump would overreact rather than turn her into the aggressor, and he did. It is clear he is easily baited and so long as opposition do not go chasing after short-term outrage du jour, and play to only the Left base, you can easily bait him into alienating the center - as well as undercutting any communication strategy. His chaos method only works well when you are baited yourselves (as obviously occurs here with the 1 million Trump threads) and lose focus. It seems to me Mrs Pelosi played the clever game. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/188 "2019-01-26T11:23:17Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Second weirdest is that he still has a base of support. There are a hell of a lot of racists in America. I’m not surprised that they love him. ---
**Author:** ![Modesty\_Blaise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Modesty\_Blaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Modesty_Blaise)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/189 "2019-01-26T15:36:25Z")
Trump gives snide nicknames to people he feels contempt for and wants to delegitimize. Little Marco, Low energy Jeb, etc. His nickname for Nancy is…Nancy [https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/01/25/nancy-pelosi-twitter-nickname-trump-jeanne-moos-ebof-pkg-vpx.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/01/25/nancy-pelosi-twitter-nickname-trump-jeanne-moos-ebof-pkg-vpx.cnn) The woman is running rings around the Russian asset in the white house. It’s gonna get uglier and uglier. I would, maybe feel sorry for him if he even once showed any positive human traits. Nancy Pelosi: I moved on him like a bitch. She owned him. ---
**Author:** ![Modesty\_Blaise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Modesty\_Blaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Modesty_Blaise)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/190 "2019-01-26T15:38:54Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Amazing - the Speaker backed Individual-1 into a corner - in an Oval Office no less! 😃 I am \*really \*enjoying Nancy dominating the fake tough guy. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/191 "2019-01-26T15:58:24Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > I wonder, if you were to go back and interview those opposed, whether they’re still in opposition… They may well be, at least publicly, even if they ended up confirming her as Speaker in the end. Those Dems opposed to her were mostly ‘centrists’ and conservative Dems from the more conservative districts. Basically, Blue Dogs if those still existed. Even if they personally like her, it may still play better in their districts to hold a certain distance. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/192 "2019-01-26T16:39:15Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > They may well be, at least publicly, even if they ended up confirming her as Speaker in the end. > > Those Dems opposed to her were mostly ‘centrists’ and conservative Dems from the more conservative districts. Basically, Blue Dogs if those still existed. Even if they personally like her, it may still play better in their districts to hold a certain distance. Somewhere on the Dope (I can’t find it now) there was a thread right after Election Day that discussed if Pelosi should remain as Speaker or if somebody else should be her replacement. I was of the firm opinion that somebody else should take the helm; I suggested Adam Schiff. I am extremely happy to admit that I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/193 "2019-01-26T16:44:29Z")
Nicely said, Railer13. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/194 "2019-01-26T16:52:22Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > There are a hell of a lot of racists in America. I’m not surprised that they love him. I’m not surprised they love him. I am surprised how many of them there are. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/195 "2019-01-26T17:24:59Z")
Trumpy almost has to start acting tough toward Pelosi after the coverage he is getting now . ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/196 "2019-01-26T17:26:30Z")
Trump’s only option is to declare a national emergency. I could be wrong, but I don’t think he has the stomach for another prolonged shutdown, and I’m not sure Republicans wouldn’t just let a bill come to the floor and notify him in advance that it’ll be veto-proof. But using nearly a million employees incomes as leverage is pretty goddamn dumb, and it didn’t work. This country was getting to the point where the nation’s aviation system - the busiest in the world - was about to shut down. This was going to look awful to everyone, and he would have been resoundingly condemned for it, even hypocritically by people in his own party who’ve been cheering him on. On the other hand, now he’s being taken to the outhouse by right wing critics who refuse to reckon with reality. His base loves it because, the idea that Trump’s base consists of white working class folk is fake news. Trump’s base is not highly educated, but they’re typically white, wealthy, or rural, or a combination of those. They think of federal workers as glorified welfare recipients – that is until they want their tax refund, their small business loan, or their agriculture subsidies. You wanna know why Trump still has 30-35% of the country left? Because the economy’s not that bad, and unfortunately, there are just that many shitty, white, bigoted sociopaths who live among us, who think the country is theirs and theirs alone, and who don’t want to share the fruits of American productivity with the rest of us. The sad part is that Trump needs his base, 'cause he’s going to be impeached and thrown in jail otherwise. He needs the crazies, and the crazies know it, which is why they are hammering him with criticism, even though the crazies on some level know that what they’re doing is destructive to the country as a whole. Again, they don’t care. They never cared. They care about themselves, their clan, their fears, their greed. Trump’s “base” is more than just deplorable; they’re the personification of shit. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/197 "2019-01-26T17:29:18Z")
> [@Modesty\_Blaise](#): > > Trump gives snide nicknames to people he feels contempt for and wants to delegitimize. Little Marco, Low energy Jeb, etc. > > His nickname for Nancy is…Nancy > > [https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/01/25/nancy-pelosi-twitter-nickname-trump-jeanne-moos-ebof-pkg-vpx.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/01/25/nancy-pelosi-twitter-nickname-trump-jeanne-moos-ebof-pkg-vpx.cnn) > > The woman is running rings around the Russian asset in the white house. It’s gonna get uglier and uglier. I would, maybe feel sorry for him if he even once showed any positive human traits. > > Nancy Pelosi: I moved on him like a bitch. > > She owned him. Nancy has a new name for Donald: bastard in a basket. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/198 "2019-01-26T17:50:57Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Trumpy almost has to start acting tough toward Pelosi after the coverage he is getting now . I think he’s afwaid of her. I would be. [**Nancy Pelosi will ‘cut your head off and you won’t even know you’re bleeding,’ daughter Alexandra Pelosi says**](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/nancy-pelosi-will-cut-your-head-off-and-you-wont-even-know-youre-bleeding-daughter-alexandra-pelosi-says/2019/01/02/959ea7da-0ebe-11e9-84fc-d58c33d6c8c7_story.html?utm_term=.f6c2edd126fc) > [@](#): > > …Alexandra Pelosi, by contrast, hailed her mother as someone who “knows what she’s doing — and that should make you sleep at night, knowing that at least somebody in this town knows what they’re doing.”… ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/199 "2019-01-26T18:34:22Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Somewhere on the Dope (I can’t find it now) there was a thread right after Election Day that discussed if Pelosi should remain as Speaker or if somebody else should be her replacement. I was of the firm opinion that somebody else should take the helm; I suggested Adam Schiff. > > I am extremely happy to admit that I was wrong. Oh, yes, [I remember that thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=865262&highlight=speaker). I spent a lot of time in it defending Pelosi. It’s kind of fun to go back and read what everyone thought in that moment. And yes, **Railer13** , I agree with **JKellyMap** : Nicely done. It’s admirable when someone can adjust their thinking based on a better understanding. You set a laudable example. Goodness knows we’re all wrong often enough! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/200 "2019-01-26T18:47:05Z")
I admit it: I underestimated Pelosi. I thought she and Schumer would be Trump’s punching bag, but I was wrong. I think Pelosi realized that Trump wanted a shutdown and decided “Fuck it, you want a shutdown? Okay, you can have one.” And she probably did it knowing full well that once he got into that mess, he wouldn’t have an easy retreat. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=11)