# The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907 "2019-01-17T01:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/201 "2019-01-26T18:53:24Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Somewhere on the Dope (I can’t find it now) there was a thread right after Election Day that discussed if Pelosi should remain as Speaker or if somebody else should be her replacement. I was of the firm opinion that somebody else should take the helm; I suggested Adam Schiff. > > I am extremely happy to admit that I was wrong. Same for me. I’m going to cheer her using the new nickname Donny calls her: Go Nancy! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/202 "2019-01-26T18:58:22Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I admit it: I underestimated Pelosi. I thought she and Schumer would be Trump’s punching bag, but I was wrong. I think Pelosi realized that Trump wanted a shutdown and decided “Fuck it, you want a shutdown? Okay, you can have one.” And she probably did it knowing full well that once he got into that mess, he wouldn’t have an easy retreat. Trump probably spent the last week trying to find a contractor that he could refuse to pay, so he could walk out of this deal with all the profit. I imagine he is more than a little confused by what just happened. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/203 "2019-01-26T22:52:31Z")
> [@Modesty\_Blaise](#): > > Trump gives snide nicknames to people he feels contempt for and wants to delegitimize. Little Marco, Low energy Jeb, etc. > > His nickname for Nancy is…Nancy In Loser Donald’s mind, this is a sick burn. The man _hates_ being called by his first name. He was visibly upset when Hillary said “Can I call you Donald?” in the debates. You’ll note that whenever he’s telling a story (I.e. lying) about a conversation he had with someone, the person in the story never calls him “Donald” - it’s always “Mr. Trump” or “Mr. President”, even when it makes no sense that that person would talk to him so formally. Because he’s a narcissist, he can’t imagine that anyone else would react differently than he does, so he thinks he’s supremely insulting her by not calling her “Ms. Pelosi”. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/204 "2019-01-27T03:10:52Z")
In terms of fundamentals, we have established that Pelosi can hold the caucus together in the face of monumental stupidity by President Trump. After all, neither Republicans nor Democrats thought that shutting down the government was a good idea, and the wall is stupid anyway, which is why immigration hardliners block trades of wall for DACA. Now Trump is a stupid guy who hires lousy advisers that he won’t listen to. Or rather, the good ones leave in frustration, their reputation besmirched. So we might see a replay. But we can’t count on that: Pelosi’s challenges have just begun. > **[2 winners and 3 losers in the deal to end the government shutdown](https://www.vox.com/2019/1/25/18197668/government-shutdown-deal-winners-losers)** > > Air traffic controllers’ role in American political history comes full circle. DACA - Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, the Dreamer’s program. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/205 "2019-01-27T03:23:25Z")
I am rather curious what all else came into it other than Trump’s plummeting approval rating. Pelosi didn’t just succeed in outlasting him, she also forced him to give up on the State of the Union and cave in a pretty thorough manner, and that didn’t seem to have anything to do with anything. Trump is almost certainly the most compromised human on the planet, just because he does stupid, impulsive things constantly. I wonder if he tried to talk her into sex once, and she got it on tape or something. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/206 "2019-01-27T06:53:09Z")
It has only gotten a small amount of public attention, but there were claims that the shutdown was shaving about a tenth of a percent of GDP growth for every week it went on. Most normal people would be more concerned about hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens going without pay for a month, but I would think the Republican Donor Class would be extremely unhappy about any interference with profits, and may have been leaning hard on their lackeys to make it stop. Nobody cared about Donald’s SOTU except Donald ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/207 "2019-01-27T08:39:23Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > Nobody cared about Donald’s SOTU except Donald Exactly. So what was the force acting on him to make him thoroughly capitulate? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/208 "2019-01-27T08:44:42Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Exactly. So what was the force acting on him to make him thoroughly capitulate? The ATCs and flight attendants threatening to strike at La Guardia may have been what finally forced his hand, from what I’ve read. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/209 "2019-01-27T12:11:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The ATCs and flight attendants threatening to strike at La Guardia may have been what finally forced his hand, from what I’ve read. And from LaGuardia, things would have only gotten much, much worse, with sick-outs elsewhere. As I understand it, we were days away from watching the aviation system in this country experiencing major disruption. Unlike having hundreds of thousands of employees quietly sitting at home, save for the occasional “poor me” interview, the optics of having hundreds of thousands and potentially millions of delayed passengers of all stripe would have been there for all to see. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/210 "2019-01-27T12:35:56Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > In terms of fundamentals, we have established that Pelosi can hold the caucus together in the face of monumental stupidity by President Trump. After all, neither Republicans nor Democrats thought that shutting down the government was a good idea, and the wall is stupid anyway, which is why immigration hardliners block trades of wall for DACA. > > Now Trump is a stupid guy who hires lousy advisers that he won’t listen to. Or rather, the good ones leave in frustration, their reputation besmirched. So we might see a replay. But we can’t count on that: Pelosi’s challenges have just begun. > [Government shutdown 2019: deal winners and losers - Vox](https://www.vox.com/2019/1/25/18197668/government-shutdown-deal-winners-losers) > > DACA - Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, the Dreamer’s program. Excellent point. The reality-based big picture has nothing to do with some idiotic wall fantasy: rather, it’s about DACA – the lack of a middle ground between Republicans who insist it must not exist, and Democrats who insist it must be robust and permanent. That “middle ground” could only be achieved as part of a much bigger, COMPREHENSIVE immigration reform bill, one that reduces the number of undocumented (further than this has already occurred naturally), by changing their status to “documented” (including, yes, a path to citizenship)…yet reduces (further than this has already occurred naturally) the incentives to enter the US (including some sensible improvements in border security). There was movement toward such a bill in summer 2001…and then shit happened. There was again movement in spring 2006, with demonstrations in several cities. Obama, elected in 2008, knew he could get ONE major bill passed in his presidency – immigration reform or health care insurance reform, but not both – and he obviously chose the latter. There has been no serious push since (partly, perhaps, because it seems less urgent, as we continue to move away from a time – the 1990s, basically – that undocumented border crossings were anything like a major crisis…but the whole issue is still a big one, and should be addressed comprehensively). ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/211 "2019-01-27T13:44:52Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You know what? You’ve long been an insufferable fool and I’ve long wondered why you haven’t been banned. Now you’re just trolling for the sheer joy of displaying your incredible stupidity. Until TPTB see fit to actually remove you from this site, I’m going to do what I am now suggesting others do: remove your inane posts from visibility. And good riddance. Welcome to the “I can’t stand that sumbitch” club! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/212 "2019-01-27T13:46:24Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > Pelosi has told him he can’t do something, and is sticking to her guns. If more people, starting with his parents, had done this, he might not be the asshole he is today, and the world would be better off. This!!! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/213 "2019-01-27T13:50:03Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … they just don’t want to engage in an honest debate. Being binary relieves them of that intellectual burden. … > > there will never be anything progressives or even centrists can do to please the MAGAbots because they believe it’s _their_ country. … > > in their eyes, you’re not a real America. There is nothing to negotiate with you. There is nothing to talk about. And they’re tear down the all of the institutions they hate (but that the rest of us actually use and benefit from) just to demonstrate that point. > > You cannot fucking compromise with these people, so let’s stop compromising. And Mitch McConnell has shown, we cannot govern with these people, so let’s stop trying … > > All we have left is the power to resist, and the power to make it known we’re not taking this shit. And this. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/214 "2019-01-27T13:52:07Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > And an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope. 😉 I guess he’s not good at math either. We got a real genius there 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/215 "2019-01-27T13:57:25Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I admit it: I underestimated Pelosi. I thought she and Schumer would be Trump’s punching bag, but I was wrong. I think Pelosi realized that Trump wanted a shutdown and decided “Fuck it, you want a shutdown? Okay, you can have one.” And she probably did it knowing full well that once he got into that mess, he wouldn’t have an easy retreat. It’s a good thing too. because I believe Schumer would be Trump’s punching bag, if it weren’t for her. This whole thing was a perfect example of how Trump CAN’T fight, when the other side can hit back. When they fight back, he doesn’t know what to do. He’s used to people who HAVE TO take his shit. ---
**Author:** ![Modesty\_Blaise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Modesty\_Blaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Modesty_Blaise)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/216 "2019-01-27T14:24:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > In Loser Donald’s mind, this is a sick burn. The man _hates_ being called by his first name. He was visibly upset when Hillary said “Can I call you Donald?” in the debates. You’ll note that whenever he’s telling a story (I.e. lying) about a conversation he had with someone, the person in the story never calls him “Donald” - it’s always “Mr. Trump” or “Mr. President”, even when it makes no sense that that person would talk to him so formally. > > Because he’s a narcissist, he can’t imagine that anyone else would react differently than he does, so he thinks he’s supremely insulting her by not calling her “Ms. Pelosi”. I haven’t noticed the thing about the first name, but looking back, I think you’re right. You’re right, also about not being able to understand that others don’t think like him. It’s interesting when he accuses people of wrongdoing, I would bet it’s almost always something HE would do so he totally projects. I wish people dealing with Trump would focus more on his Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He’s a very simple and predictable person because of his NPD. Play to his narcissism and you win every time. I am still utterly flabbergasted that people can hear him speak and think, “Yeah, that’s my guy.” How do you not see he is unqualified, in every conceivable way to a spectacular degree? It is very satisfying to finally see someone sit him on his ass instead of catering to every deranged idea that he gets from Fox. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/217 "2019-01-27T14:33:46Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > In Loser Donald’s mind, this is a sick burn. The man _hates_ being called by his first name. He was visibly upset when Hillary said “Can I call you Donald?” in the debates. You’ll note that whenever he’s telling a story (I.e. lying) about a conversation he had with someone, the person in the story never calls him “Donald” - it’s always “Mr. Trump” or “Mr. President”, even when it makes no sense that that person would talk to him so formally. > > Because he’s a narcissist, he can’t imagine that anyone else would react differently than he does, so he thinks he’s supremely insulting her by not calling her “Ms. Pelosi”. I think that when Trump refers to her as Madame Speaker, she should return the courtesy and call him Mr President. But if he insists on the informal Nancy, then he becomes Donald. This has the bonus goodness of the right-wing undoubtedly whining about her not showing respect for the office of the presidency and ignoring his lack of respect for Congress. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/218 "2019-01-27T14:39:47Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > It’s a good thing too. because I believe Schumer would be Trump’s punching bag, if it weren’t for her. > > This whole thing was a perfect example of how Trump CAN’T fight, when the other side can hit back. When they fight back, he doesn’t know what to do. He’s used to people who HAVE TO take his shit. Right on both counts. ---
**Author:** ![Modesty\_Blaise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Modesty\_Blaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Modesty_Blaise)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/219 "2019-01-27T14:40:15Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > It’s a good thing too. because I believe Schumer would be Trump’s punching bag, if it weren’t for her. > > This whole thing was a perfect example of how Trump CAN’T fight, when the other side can hit back. When they fight back, he doesn’t know what to do. He’s used to people who HAVE TO take his shit. Ugh, Schumer drives me crazy. I think he’s weak and ineffective. And he gives the most boring speeches. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him sound like he actually means what he’s saying. Although, I will say he sounds better than Individual#1 when he attempts to read. Schumer would have blown this whole opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/220 "2019-01-27T14:47:28Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I think that when Trump refers to her as Madame Speaker, she should return the courtesy and call him Mr President. But if he insists on the informal Nancy, then he becomes Donald. > > This has the bonus goodness of the right-wing undoubtedly whining about her not showing respect for the office of the presidency and ignoring his lack of respect for Congress. And his lack of respect for the office of the President. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=12)