# The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907 "2019-01-17T01:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/281 "2019-05-24T00:03:06Z")
She seems to understand something that Peter Rodino (and to a lesser extent, Tip O’Neill) understood in 1974: that the public has to be brought on board for any potential impeachment to succeed. The vast majority of the public hasn’t read the Mueller report, and investigations are the tool to inform those who need to be exposed to the evidence. (Rodino’s methodical approach — which was opposed by some on the Judiciary Committee staff — also allowed him to keep the Southern Democrats on board, which in turn allowed him to obtain enough Republican votes to squelch accusations of partisanship. It’s debatable whether anything near that level of bipartisanship is achievable today, but a rush to impeachment would rule it out completely.) Also, as has been pointed out elsewhere, at the moment she’s dealing from strength. As the legal battle continues the malAdministration’s position gets weaker and weaker, and its shortcomings become more and more evident; to abandon this approach in favor of a political fight, which is more CFSG’s turf, would only squander this advantage. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/282 "2019-05-24T00:16:29Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > She seems to understand something that Peter Rodino (and to a lesser extent, Tip O’Neill) understood in 1974: that the public has to be brought on board for any potential impeachment to succeed. The vast majority of the public hasn’t read the Mueller report, and investigations are the tool to inform those who need to be exposed to the evidence. > > (Rodino’s methodical approach — which was opposed by some on the Judiciary Committee staff — also allowed him to keep the Southern Democrats on board, which in turn allowed him to obtain enough Republican votes to squelch accusations of partisanship. It’s debatable whether anything near that level of bipartisanship is achievable today, but a rush to impeachment would rule it out completely.) > > Also, as has been pointed out elsewhere, at the moment she’s dealing from strength. As the legal battle continues the malAdministration’s position gets weaker and weaker, and its shortcomings become more and more evident; to abandon this approach in favor of a political fight, which is more CFSG’s turf, would only squander this advantage. Exactly! What moron John(T) doesn’t seem to understand is that it’s not just Trump’s base that is against impeachment; it’s right-leaning centrists and moderates. You can’t just write them off. You can’t just say that this additional 10-15% of voters is hopeless. But you can’t expect them to just jump on board the impeachment train either. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/283 "2019-05-24T00:59:43Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > … > Also, as has been pointed out elsewhere, at the moment she’s dealing from strength. As the legal battle continues the malAdministration’s position gets weaker and weaker, and its shortcomings become more and more evident; to abandon this approach in favor of a political fight, which is more CFSG’s turf, would only squander this advantage. YES!! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/284 "2019-05-24T01:40:39Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Exactly! > > What moron John(T) doesn’t seem to understand is that it’s not just Trump’s base that is against impeachment; it’s right-leaning centrists and moderates. You can’t just write them off. You can’t just say that this additional 10-15% of voters is hopeless. But you can’t expect them to just jump on board the impeachment train either. What Asahi the Coward doesn’t understand is that there was nowhere near the political will to impeach Bill Clinton as there was against Nixon and is against Trump. Yet, because of leadership, a concept alien and even frightening to cowards, the Republicans just went ahead and did so, thereby losing any chance they had at the White House in 2000. Oh, wait… did I get that last wrong? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/285 "2019-05-24T01:53:26Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > What Asahi the Coward doesn’t understand is that there was nowhere near the political will to impeach Bill Clinton as there was against Nixon and is against Trump. Yet, because of leadership, a concept alien and even frightening to cowards, the Republicans just went ahead and did so, thereby losing any chance they had at the White House in 2000. > > Oh, wait… did I get that last wrong? You are borderline insane. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/286 "2019-05-24T01:57:13Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > What Asahi the Coward doesn’t understand is that there was nowhere near the political will to impeach Bill Clinton as there was against Nixon and is against Trump. Yet, because of leadership, a concept alien and even frightening to cowards, the Republicans just went ahead and did so, thereby losing any chance they had at the White House in 2000. > > Oh, wait… did I get that last wrong? I’m agnostic on impeachment. But you kinda smoodged over an important detail, which is that Republicans lost the popular vote in 2000, and only won because of a combination of quirks in our electoral college and in Florida ballots, the latter of which resulted in an enormous number of Jews casting votes for antisemite Pat Buchanan. It’s not clear that 2020 Democrats have an analogous path to victory. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/287 "2019-05-24T03:24:01Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > She’s rocking it because she understands the game - a lot better than a bunch of fucking millennials who just decided to become interested in politics and thought it would be, like, kewl to run for office. The upstart Democrats defy her at the entire party’s expense, and consequently, at the nation’s expense. Get your school uniform on. Bring your backpacks. Make sure you’ve got pens, pencils, erasers, and notepads, and take some notes. School is in session. Nancy Pelosi is your teacher. Fucking millennials are the only ones smart enough to fix this dumpster fire of a political situation that fucking ice-floe-worthy Boomers have created. Y’know, the ones who thought it’d be, like, kewl to bankrupt Social Security and set the atmosphere on fire. So thanks for that. Boomers can’t and shouldn’t be trusted with a god damned thing, as everything they’ve touched - from infrastructure to military readiness to the budget to social programs to income inequality - has been torched to the ground. Sorry your generation has been such an abysmal failure at pretty much everything that the intelligent generation has decided they’ve had enough and are determined to put you in a closet where you belong. Shoulda not fucked up so badly. Time to take a backseat, grandpa, and let some people with some fucking sanity drive. Try not to choke on your tongue back there, you demented, old fool. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/288 "2019-05-24T03:33:53Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Fucking millennials are the only ones smart enough to fix this dumpster fire of a political situation that fucking ice-floe-worthy Boomers have created. Y’know, the ones who thought it’d be, like, kewl to bankrupt Social Security and set the atmosphere on fire. … So, the Republican Leadership? Because the dems havent done that. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/289 "2019-05-24T04:41:24Z")
Oh, come on A & JT. You remind me of the two Giants fans getting arrested here in CA over whether a loss was Manning’s or Coughin’s. Same team, different issues. (And I tune in for both your posts) As far as bankrupting Social Security, it’s takes the inept mind of a fucking millennial to even pose such a thing because that’s all they heard from their dim-witted Boomer daddies. Hope the trust fund interest doesn’t balk. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/290 "2019-05-24T04:51:13Z")
Right now, I want to marry Nancy Pelosi. But she’d have to settle for mistress status. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/291 "2019-05-24T07:49:13Z")
Otto and asahi: well said. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/292 "2019-05-24T12:44:54Z")
The only thing keeping me from throwing my hands in the air and abandoning the Democrats during this debacle of deadline after deadline and sternly worded letters is that I accept that Nancy Pelosi has forgotten more about politics than I ever knew, and I’m hoping that her instincts here are better than mine. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/293 "2019-05-24T13:09:12Z")
[A fine way](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/23/18637729/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-stable-genius) to get under the skin of the self-proclaimed “extremely stable genius”: > [@](#): > > He says he’s in charge and I suspect he may be ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/294 "2019-05-24T13:27:55Z")
I love the fact that yesterday, Trump said that several high ranking people be brought up on treason charges with the possibility of the death sentence, and Pelosi questioned his sanity, and today the NY Times runs the [article](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/us/politics/impeaching-trump-nancy-pelosi.html) titled “Trump and Pelosi Trade Barbs, Both Questioning the Other’s Fitness” as if both sides are equally correct. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/295 "2019-05-24T13:34:05Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [A fine way](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/23/18637729/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-stable-genius) to get under the skin of the self-proclaimed “extremely stable genius”: With Trump, it’s all psychological projection: however he describes his “enemies”\* is what he is and however he describes himself is what he is not. Yep, Pelosi is the crazy, temper-tantrum-throwing one who is unstable and going senile and can’t comprehend legislative bills. Quick, Nancy, better line up some staffers to publically assure us you’re not! \*Any person that is not sufficiently pro-Trump in his mind. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/296 "2019-05-24T15:36:53Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I love the fact that yesterday, Trump said that several high ranking people be brought up on treason charges with the possibility of the death sentence, and Pelosi questioned his sanity, and today the NY Times runs the [article](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/us/politics/impeaching-trump-nancy-pelosi.html) titled “Trump and Pelosi Trade Barbs, Both Questioning the Other’s Fitness” as if both sides are equally correct. And we wonder why people are horribly misinformed in this society, and how someone like Trump could get elected. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/297 "2019-05-24T16:39:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yep, I remember that. Newsom, that weasel , set gay rights back several years by that sound bite. He should have been will and gracious in victory. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/298 "2019-05-24T17:10:31Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > He should have been will and gracious in victory. \ ---
**Author:** ![CaptainSnazzy7402](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captainsnazzy7402/32/57_2.png) [@CaptainSnazzy7402](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptainSnazzy7402)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/299 "2019-05-24T17:16:38Z")
Wait, people actually appreciate what Nancy Pelosi has to say? _pops popcorn_ Now this I GOTTA see! ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/300 "2019-05-24T17:58:28Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The only thing keeping me from throwing my hands in the air and abandoning the Democrats during this debacle of deadline after deadline and sternly worded letters is that I accept that Nancy Pelosi has forgotten more about politics than I ever knew, and I’m hoping that her instincts here are better than mine. Remember how Pelosi was criticized for her political skills throughout the shutdown until she was ultimately proved correct? Apparently many people don’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=16)