# The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907 "2019-01-17T01:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/341 "2019-05-26T11:47:35Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I don’t understand. Does **RTFirefly** want to rush an Impeachment Motion through the House and watch Senate dismiss? > [@RTFirefly](#): > > And they really need to start the impeachment inquiry. It really would be better if this doesn’t run too far into next year (not at all would be ideal), and the longer they wait, the more their choices will be between rushing the inquiry, or running it through most of the primaries. Neither of those is a good choice: the inquiry itself should be conducted as deliberately as they need to. And they have to leave time for writing articles of impeachment, and debating and voting on them, first in committee and then in the full House. IOW, rushing anything is exactly what I _don’t_ want. > [@septimus](#): > > And then what? First, what _in the meantime?_ In the meantime, we’re smacking the playground bully with the best we’ve got. > [@septimus](#): > > Just look at the recent GOP excesses. They are retweeting phony YouTubes about “Crazy Nancy” while slurring their own tweets and, increasingly more obviously, behaving like an underage brat. (The recent posed video lacked, even from his top aides, the sort of sycophancy we’re used to. I’d not be surprised to see another major defection soon.) > > Recent Trump behavior is as criminal and despicable as anything in the Mueller Report. He’s being goaded into playing the fool. The Ds have the power to call witnesses and TV cameras, even without an Impeachment Motion pending. In defying the subpoenas, Trump and his gang will commit more crimes, openly. And this all helps us, _ **how??** _ This is on the order of: > [@](#): > > Sir Robin: Would it help to confuse [the killer rabbit] if we ran away more? > > Sir Galahad: Let us taunt it. It may become so cross it will make a mistake. > > King Arthur: Like _what?_ The PR of impeachment is simple, IMHO: fighting back against the neighborhood bully will always look better than just letting him rule the playground and doing nothing about it. At this point, we’ve already seen what good “the power to call witnesses and TV cameras” has done by itself. Trump laughs as we ask for documents and witnesses, and he tells us to fuck off. An impeachment inquiry isn’t exactly the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, but (a) it’s that or let him rule the playground for another 20 months, and (b) as in 1974, it can and should be done with what’s already available, which means Trump can’t fight back against it. Trump would still have the initiative in many ways, but so would the House Judiciary Committee. And when “Trump and his gang commit more crimes, openly” it at least turns into additional articles of impeachment to be flung in Mitch McConnell’s face, rather than the Dems doing _nothing_ about those crimes. And at the end of the day, this is all about the Senate. It’s the opportunity for Dem challengers to say, “the House proved that Trump committed the following crimes. Why did Senator Stupidhead think the Senate shouldn’t even have a trial?” The Dems can make this about the GOP destroying the integrity of the Senate as an institution. (It can even wrap the House legislation that the Senate refused to consider into this with a campaign saying that the GOP was afraid to even debate these bills. Nationalize the fucking Senate campaign in 2020 by calling them a bunch of scaredy-cats.) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/342 "2019-05-26T11:58:00Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > All of the kinds of things that began to bring down Nixon’s popularity in 1973 have happened already during the first 2 years of Trump, and guess what? Trump’s popularity is pretty much the same as it always was. Um, NO. There has been nothing like the Ervin Committee hearings, and nothing like the Saturday Night Massacre. The Dems blew their best chance to do something like that, short of impeachment, by not having hearings right after the Mueller Report came out, where they went through the report and summarized it in a way that was a public counterweight to “no collusion, no obstruction.” Now Trump and his gang rule the playground. That’s the new normal. That doesn’t help us next year. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/343 "2019-05-26T12:05:53Z")
Nancy is being the adult in the room. The toddler keeps demanding attention. He’s getting it in the form of subpoenas, but I do think Trump wants an impeachment because he has been told the Senate will not follow through on it. One possibility - Nancy is waiting for Trump to do something so utterly insane (a very high bar to cross considering) that even the Senate will have to take notice or be seen as complete fools as well. This is a dangerous game that could get many killed. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/344 "2019-05-26T12:18:28Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Meanwhile, by showing a modicum of restraint in re impeachment, she’s not revealing cowardice. She’s not doing nothing. There are still ongoing investigations. There are still subpoenas. There are court filings. There is a LOT that is keeping Trump and his defenders working overtime to save what is ultimately going to be a failed presidency. And nobody notices. > [@](#): > > And when she has the opportunity to do so she uses Trump’s aggression against him, just like she did during the government shutdown and just like she did with the infrastructure meeting. Cool. A neat story for a day or so, then back to the new normal where Trump rules the playground. > [@](#): > > She knows what she’s doing. She’s letting Trump beat himself, because she knows he will. And he might take the entire party down with him. The trade war might hurt Trump a little, but there sure have been a lot of stories where tribalism seems to have won out, where the farmers are saying they’re sticking with Trump anyway. I think sitting back and waiting for Trump to beat himself just moves the new normal into a worse place than it’s been, rather than heightening the proverbial contradictions. The Dems are going, “Trump’s gone way too far, so by God, we’re going to…wait for the next election.” Yeah, that gets me motivated to vote Dem. :rolleyes: The new abortion laws - which have nothing to do with Trump - are what might really save the Dems’ asses here, by keeping the Dem base angry enough to turn out in 2020 like they did in 2018. But you know what? I absolutely HATE having to say, “thank God for these horrible laws.” And what worries me more is that showing a lack of fight now, makes me even more concerned that - IF they should win the Senate - they won’t have the fight to do stuff like get rid of the filibuster. ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/345 "2019-05-26T12:21:56Z")
I feel like “Mueller will save us” has been transformed into “Pelosi will save us”. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/346 "2019-05-26T12:23:47Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Nancy is being the adult in the room. The toddler keeps demanding attention. If you’re the adult in the room, you do what you can to **constrain** the toddler. You don’t let him rule the room. I’m trying to find the Ulysses S. Grant quote on this, but it boils down to: many Union generals let themselves be constrained by what they feared Lee, or Jackson, or Longstreet, or Beauregard, or whoever was going to do. Grant acted, and let the other general worry about what **he** was going to do. This one’s close: > [@Ulysses S. Grant](#): > > The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving on. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/347 "2019-05-26T12:31:19Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > \The new abortion laws - which have nothing to do with Trump - are what might really save the Dems’ asses here, by keeping the Dem base angry enough to turn out in 2020 like they did in 2018.\ I agree here except that it does have to do with Trump. The states would not have passed these laws if Trump wasn’t stacking the courts. Trump supporters that are not his base may finally realize that they made a poor choice. Oh, they will never ever admit it, but they may just stay home instead of voting. On the other hand, people that value decency, honesty and democracy will come out in droves. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/348 "2019-05-26T12:40:59Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > If you’re the adult in the room, you do what you can to **constrain** the toddler. You don’t let him rule the room. Fair point. Let’s say that the toddler is in Walmart, and is not your child. The parent is there but is ignoring it. What then? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/349 "2019-05-26T12:55:02Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Fair point. > > Let’s say that the toddler is in Walmart, and is not your child. The parent is there but is ignoring it. What then? Then your issue is with the parent. In this case, that would be the House Dems. ETA: Who are saying, “hey, you’ll get custody of this kid for one day, a year and a half from now. You can do something about him then.” ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/350 "2019-05-26T13:12:49Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Then your issue is with the parent. > > In this case, that would be the House Dems. > > ETA: Who are saying, “hey, you’ll get custody of this kid for one day, a year and a half from now. You can do something about him then.” I disagree, the parent is the Senate and they will do nothing. I’ve been going back and forth. Yes, the House should just impeach and let the pieces fall where we know they will (Senate will not do their duty, Trump uses failed impeachment to get re-elected). But the House would be doing their duty. I do tend to look at things that way. This is what is required of you. Do it. It makes choices very easy. But what if by doing their duty today, it causes more problems for the future? What if confronting the parent turns a brat into a homicidal maniac? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/351 "2019-05-26T13:19:49Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Impeachment would simply be an escalation, and there’s no evidence that it would work. > [@](#): > > There is no evidence - zero, zilch, nada, nothing - that impeachment would be anything more than just an intensified version of what we’ve had the last 2 years. …to claim “there is not evidence that it would work” simply means that you don’t understand why people are in favour of impeachment. > [@](#): > > People who think that it would move the 10-15% of people in the middle have no evidence to support that prediction. Almost everyone on these boards who support impeachment don’t support it because it “may” or “may not” move some people to vote a certain way. They support impeachment because it is the appropriate action to take for the actions of Trump and his administration. Justin Amash lays out the case [here](https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1129831615952236546). Its about a clear a case for impeachment that you can get. > [@](#): > > The sad reality that a lot of us here on SDMB don’t want to accept is that, in some respects, this country has changed from 1974. In some ways, our values have changed. We have lower expectations about the presidency now - maybe because of the aftermath of the Nixon, Clinton, and GW Bush’s presidencies. Things that would have been outrageous a generation or two ago, like serial philandering, manipulating intelligence, and graft, are tolerated now. A large part of the population is so cynical that they believe that this is just part of politics. The thinking goes, “As long as I’ve got an income, whatever they do doesn’t really affect me.” That may not be how Dopers view it, but that’s how a lot of the country feels. Irrelevant. > [@](#): > > Pelosi gets it. I’m not so sure. > [@](#): > > She knows that using the Constitution and the rule of law itself isn’t going to beat Trump. The Constitution and the rule of law is all that stands between Trump and an authoritarian state. Trump keeps getting defeated because of the Constitution, because of the law, not because we pretend those things don’t exist. > [@](#): > > He’s not going to let himself be defeated that way. It appears to be working that way at the moment. > [@](#): > > She knows that the most practical way to defeat Trump is to let Trump and his Republican enablers hang themselves with their own rope. She understands that Trump is a terrible president and that, in time, that will be evident to many more people than it is now. Trump was a terrible presidential candidate and that didn’t stop him getting elected to the Presidency. In time the same amount of people who voted for Trump in 2016 will probably vote for him again in 2020. I don’t know why you are so confident that this is going to change. > [@](#): > > The trade war is already causing pain; it will cause even more pain because that’s where Trump’s ignoance will have a price. The anti-abortion radicals are going to make the party as a whole less popular - they probably already have. GOP economics aren’t that popular even in a growing economy, and they’ll be a lot less popular in an economy that’s contracting. Trumps support from his base really hasn’t changed. They are doing everything they can to suppress the marginalised vote. They are changing the nature of the Federal courts and nobody can do anything to stop them. They’ve bought in the former people from Cambridge Analytica to help run the 2020 campaign. They’ve removed almost all of the protections the Obama administration bought into protect trans rights. They are fighting to destroy the ACA. We found out that there are thousands of more cases of separated families at the border than we originally thought. > [@](#): > > Meanwhile, by showing a modicum of restraint in re impeachment, she’s not revealing cowardice. She’s not doing nothing. There are still ongoing investigations. There are still subpoenas. There are court filings. There is a LOT that is keeping Trump and his defenders working overtime to save what is ultimately going to be a failed presidency. And when she has the opportunity to do so she uses Trump’s aggression against him, just like she did during the government shutdown and just like she did with the infrastructure meeting. She knows what she’s doing. She’s letting Trump beat himself, because she knows he will. And he might take the entire party down with him. Pelosi played the government shutdown perfectly. But that doesn’t mean we should trust her about everything implicitly. I stand by the contention that Obama was the best President America’s ever had. But he fucked up big time on many occasions and I believe that Pelosi is fucking up here. “Letting Trump beat himself” isn’t a smart strategy because its a strategy that is completely out of the Dems control and gifts all the power to Trump. This isn’t just about stopping Trump but about stopping the damage that is being done (much of it being done in secret) by his administration. Allowing “Trump to beat himself” means giving him a licence to do even more damage to America without consequence for two more years. That might not matter to you. But it matters to women seeking abortion and to people struggling to pay for healthcare and to trans people who have lost all of their newly won protections. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/352 "2019-05-26T13:22:07Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > But what if by doing their duty today, it causes more problems for the future? > > What if confronting the parent turns a brat into a homicidal maniac? …what if by not doing their duty today it causes more problems in the future? What if not confronting the parent turns a brat into a homicidal maniac? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/353 "2019-05-26T13:22:38Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’m sure you play 3-D political chess much better than I do. Pelosi’s playing 5-D chess. And she knows her opponent is the proverbial goose who struts around knocking over pieces and defecating on the board. You don’t even play regular 2-D chess with the neighborhood bully. You either take him on with everything you’ve got, or you let him rule the playground. It’s a very 1-D game, about as uncomplicated as you can get. You’re pushed, and either you push back or you don’t. No sophisticated analysis needed. It’s what Josh Marshall used to call the ‘bitch-slap’ theory of politics, before he decided that sounded too sexist. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/354 "2019-05-26T13:30:15Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > The Dems are going, “Trump’s gone way too far, so by God, we’re going to…wait for the next election.” Yeah, that gets me motivated to vote Dem. :rolleyes: SO what you are saying is that Trump is to evil and destructive that that he must be attacked immediately with a futile charge of the light brigade. And he isn’t then when presented in 2020 with an actual chance to take him out, your feeling will be hurt and you might decline? God our base is a bunch of fickle spoiled brats. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/355 "2019-05-26T13:35:36Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I disagree, the parent is the Senate and they will do nothing. There’s ‘we the people’ (or at least the portion of the citizenry that regards Trump as a problem rather than as the solution), then there’s the House Dems, and only _then_ there’s the Senate. However you view who the parent is, ‘we’ aren’t in a position where we can demand anything of the Senate, at least for the next year and a half. Only the House can do that. > [@](#): > > I’ve been going back and forth. Yes, the House should just impeach and let the pieces fall where we know they will (Senate will not do their duty, Trump uses failed impeachment to get re-elected). But the House would be doing their duty. I do tend to look at things that way. This is what is required of you. Do it. It makes choices very easy. > > But what if by doing their duty today, it causes more problems for the future? > > What if confronting the parent turns a brat into a homicidal maniac? The problem is, you can what-if until the cows come home. What if the absence of anyone pushing back on his bad behavior lets the brat escalate into a homicidal maniac? When has a bully ever dialed it back on account of being given free rein to push the other kids around as he pleases? I don’t know. But I really don’t think “we _could_ do something, but we won’t because we’re worried about what Trump and the GOP might do if we did” is a winning approach for the Dems. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/356 "2019-05-26T13:45:26Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > SO what you are saying is that Trump is to evil and destructive that that he must be attacked immediately with a futile charge of the light brigade. And he isn’t then when presented in 2020 with an actual chance to take him out, your feeling will be hurt and you might decline? > > God our base is a bunch of fickle spoiled brats. Look, **I** will vote for the goddamn Scared Rabbit Party no matter how many times they pull a Brave Sir Robin. I show up and vote even in the off years, and I vote D every time. And I contribute heavily to Dem candidates in between. ETA: There are only two things that could cause me to fail to vote, and vote D, in 2020: (1) I’m dead, or (2) I’m in a hospital bed, in a coma. That’s it. The voters you should worry about aren’t the freakin’ base. The voters you should worry about are the marginal voters - those who will vote D if they vote, but based on past history, they may or may not show up in a given election. If people like me who **will** vote are disheartened, I worry about **them**. And so should you, and so should Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/357 "2019-05-26T14:01:18Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Um, NO. There has been nothing like the Ervin Committee hearings, and nothing like the Saturday Night Massacre. What do you call firing your FBI director in a blatant, obvious attempt to obstruct justice? What do you call sacking your Attorney General for not recusing himself? I’d say that’s pretty Nixonian, and it hasn’t moved the needle at all, and it’s not going to until people begin to understand that the country is going into the shitter and that Trump isn’t a good president. > [@RTFirefly](#): > > The Dems blew their best chance to do something like that, short of impeachment, by not having hearings right after the Mueller Report came out, where they went through the report and summarized it in a way that was a public counterweight to “no collusion, no obstruction.” I really don’t get why you think having it right after the report would have made a difference. I think this is just a wild assumption on your part. Really, they could have it right now if they wanted to. Whether they had hearings right after the report, right now, next week, or next month doesn’t matter because Trump has made it clear he has no intention of complying and letting people give testimony until and unless he is absolutely forced to do so. We’ve already seen that just because Democrats want hearings doesn’t mean they’re going to have hearings, so again, I think you fundamentally misunderstand the dynamics at play here. Your country has changed on you. Don’t worry, it’ll change back once they understand that Trump isn’t a billionaire who’s going to help them get rich too, but that he’s a fake billionaire and a moron who’s putting the final nails in the coffin of the American Dream. The courts _might_ help out with some specific types of evidence, such as the Deutsch Bank records. The State of New York might help as well. There’s also the Southern District of New York’s investigation. I would welcome anything that comes to light, and as we’ve already discussed, it’s not like Democrats and Trump’s opponents are sitting around doing nothing. There’s a lot that’s happening right now, and a lot that keeps Trump worried at night. We don’t need to have an impeach or nothing dichotomy. > [@RTFirefly](#): > > Now Trump and his gang rule the playground. That’s the new normal. That doesn’t help us next year. Yes, they do, and they rule the playground because the voting citizens haven’t punished them for their behavior. That’s what the “impeach now” crowd needs to understand: it’s the people, the voting people that matter in an impeachment. You can’t just make them care. You can make them like a president less, but you can also make them like the majority party less as well, as House Republicans found out when they pressed for impeachment despite overwhelming evidence suggesting the country wasn’t on the same page. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/358 "2019-05-26T14:07:50Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Look, **I** will vote for the goddamn Scared Rabbit Party no matter how many times they pull a Brave Sir Robin. I show up and vote even in the off years, and I vote D every time. And I contribute heavily to Dem candidates in between. ETA: There are only two things that could cause me to fail to vote, and vote D, in 2020: (1) I’m dead, or (2) I’m in a hospital bed, in a coma. That’s it. > > The voters you should worry about aren’t the freakin’ base. The voters you should worry about are the marginal voters - those who will vote D if they vote, but based on past history, they may or may not show up in a given election. > > If people like me who **will** vote are disheartened, I worry about **them**. And so should you, and so should Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer. The marginal voters are going to be marginal voters. I can’t spend my time worrying about them, and I seriously, seriously doubt that they’re going to sit at home because Nancy Pelosi didn’t go all the way with impeachment in April. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/359 "2019-05-26T14:08:58Z")
Some of you seem not to get that President Pence is not going to make things better for women’s reproductive rights, etc. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/360 "2019-05-26T14:18:31Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I really don’t get why you think having it right after the report would have made a difference. I think this is just a wild assumption on your part. Really, they could have it right now if they wanted to. The difference is that there was a brief moment when public opinion about the report was up for grabs. Now it’s pretty much settled. It’s obviously harder to change minds that have not only accepted a conclusion, but have already moved on to thinking about other things entirely. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=19)