# The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907 "2019-01-17T01:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/501 "2019-06-02T04:03:03Z")
^^ :eek:😃 (Locrian microwaves popcorn) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/502 "2019-06-02T04:07:39Z")
You will be educated, John. I will teach you, if you’re not too fucking arrogant, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/503 "2019-06-02T04:13:49Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Fuck it. > > Impeach now. > > Right now. > > Call your reps up, and demand impeachment. I’m not sure I’d start an impeachment inquiry just yet, personally. The various court cases are being expedited, so I’d be inclined to hold off for a bit longer until the Committees get all the evidence they need, or until the White House becomes completely non-compliant with court orders. I don’t see it being that much of a big deal between those who would start impeachment now, and those who would have some hearings and gather evidence first, and therefore don’t think it should be a divisive issue among Democrats. In fact, it may be a good thing to have the impeach-now people out there promoting the cause, building up pressure and public awareness, and the impeach-later people holding them back until the right moment to impeach with maximum effectiveness. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/504 "2019-06-02T04:20:31Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > I’m not sure I’d start an impeachment inquiry just yet, personally. The various court cases are being expedited, so I’d be inclined to hold off for a bit longer until the Committees get all the evidence they need, or until the White House becomes completely non-compliant with court orders. > > I don’t see it being that much of a big deal between those who would start impeachment now, and those who would have some hearings and gather evidence first, and therefore don’t think it should be a divisive issue among Democrats. In fact, it may be a good thing to have the impeach-now people out there promoting the cause, building up pressure and public awareness, and the impeach-later people holding them back until the right moment to impeach with maximum effectiveness. Impeach now. That’s what you fucking imbeciles are saying. Do it now. Don’t think, just do it. Impeachment feels good - just do it. Don’t worry about politics, it just feels good. It’s the right thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/505 "2019-06-02T04:21:48Z")
If you all don’t want impeachment right now, this minute, this day, this week…then shut up. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/506 "2019-06-02T04:23:34Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > We’re in a different world now. Trump’s approval will be between 40% and 42.5%, just like it’s been since early last year, no matter what. > > Why that should be an obstacle to impeachment, fuck-all if you’ve ever explained that. You don’t need the 40% to be OK with it, just the people who voted Dem last year, though winning over some of the remaining 5-8% undecideds wouldn’t hurt. > > Whatever the new House members actually _ran_ on, what carried them in was a wave of anti-Trump antipathy. That antipathy is still there. That, plus _actually seeing the case against Trump_, should more than suffice. > > Now remember, we’re not talking about removal, because just like we’re not in Nixon’s world, we’re not in a world where 20 GOP Senators are going to vote to give Trump the boot. **We’re just talking about making Trump politically toxic to everyone but his hardcore 40%. That’s the goal here.** Stipulated. But the argument being advanced by the Pelosi supporters is that that goal is most effectively advanced by allowing the Democratic-controlled HoR to maintain control of the narrative as long as possible, making him look more toxic by the day. As soon as Articles of impeachment are presented, the House has to stop finding and reporting factual toxic items, and turn the shootin’ match over to the Senate where the impeachment managers will be effectively shut down by McConnell and his gang railroading an acquittal through. It doesn’t seem to me that you have effectively rebutted this argument, even though I have a hazy memory of your having briefly acknowledged that it exists. Y’all may insist that the America-hating fuckstick doesn’t really want an impeachment. But he CLEARLY _does_ want the political benefit of an acquittal in front of a populace with the attention span of a goldfish. If Nancy has to give him that in the end, so be it. But the Democratic Party needs to get some 2020 campaign fodder before giving it to him. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/507 "2019-06-02T04:29:18Z")
Missed the edit window: Go home, **asahi**. You’re drunk. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/508 "2019-06-02T04:31:52Z")
“Hey, motherfuckers! Stop!” _Asahi and his friends, Chris and Dave, stop, turn around._ “That’s better. Give me your lunch money or me and my friend will kick your asses.” “Says who, asshole? Last time I looked, there’s three of us and two of you. Want your asses kicked? I’m ready to go… Dave?” _Dave, being the quiet type, nods._ “Asahi?” “Uh… well… look, Chris. There’s two of them and just three of us. Now if I can convice one of them to join our side and fight his friend, well… I’m in!” “… Motherfucker! You serious, bro?” “Hey, Chris, fuck off! All you’re going to do is piss off his friends, and where will we be then? No, you dumbass, I need 70% support, if not more, and right now only 60% of us are being threatened. I tell you what: why don’t I just leave and let you deal with this problem?” “Da fuqs the matter with you?” “Fuck off, Chris! We don’t need this shit!” “What are you going to do? Spend a week and 20,000 words on some message board somewhere defending your cowardice?” “Fuck you, Chris. I’m outta here.” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/509 "2019-06-02T04:35:13Z")
Fuck you pigT, you ought to be thrown in fucking jail! TRAITOR!!! I don’t hate conservatives, I can’t fucking stand progressive traitor cowards. You animals can’t be educated ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/510 "2019-06-02T04:44:27Z")
> [@](#): > > He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” > > The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied. > > — Gospel of Luke 22:36-38, NIV … on the cutting room floor is the subsequent scene… “Hey, Master, you sure two is enough?” “Lo, for it is written by my Father.” “I mean… won’t fighting them make them madder? Perhaps we should wait for some real calamity before we strike.” “…” “I mean, Rome has to fall sometime. Continue along this course and, well, it can be bad. For you, for me, for a lot of people. I mean, Augustus still has 40% support! Can’t we wait until Rome falls?” “They will know neither the time nor place…” “Fuck you, guy! Sure, let’s do this! JESUS HATES ROMANS, YOU MOTHERFUCKERS! See? I can fight too!” _In time, Jesus gets nailed to the cross._ “Told ya so! What a moron!” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/511 "2019-06-02T04:46:06Z")
Let me know what you accomplish dumb shit ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/512 "2019-06-02T04:53:38Z")
_Martin Luther, Ulrich von Hutton, and Asahi are making their way to Worms, to face the Diet:_ “Here I stand, I can do no other!” “Begone you unclean swine! Depart from the sanctuary, you impure traffickers! Touch not the altars with your unclean hands!” “Wow, the Curia seems really mad. And that letter from the Pope! I just don’t know, guys…” ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/513 "2019-06-02T06:03:19Z")
Let’s all keep in mind that “the courts” probably won’t allow Trump to be impeached anyway. So the point is moot. > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > I think it’s impossible to tell from the outside whether she doesn’t want impeachment, or if she is actually open to it. If she did want to see Trump impeached, then it would still be in the best strategic interest to say she didn’t want to, and to wait until the time is right, whereupon she can say her hand has been forced. It is better optics for it to be seen as the Democrats being dragged reluctantly towards impeachment, than for them to be seen to be clamoring for it. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/514 "2019-06-02T12:26:29Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Let’s all keep in mind that “the courts” probably won’t allow Trump to be impeached anyway. Using \*what \*instead of constitutional authority? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/515 "2019-06-02T12:46:30Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Let’s all keep in mind that “the courts” probably won’t allow Trump to be impeached anyway. So the point is moot. Huh? The ‘court’ will be the US House. SCOTUS nor any other court doesn’t have anything to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/516 "2019-06-02T13:02:10Z")
Alan Dershowitz [thinks](https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/446394-dershowitz-supreme-court-could-overrule-an-unconstitutional-impeachment) that “the judiciary may indeed have a role in reining in Congress were it to exceed its constitutional authority” by impeaching for something that wasn’t a “high crime or misdemeanor”. However, that wouldn’t seem to apply here since obstruction of justice is a “high crime”, and Trump has committed obstruction of justice. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/517 "2019-06-02T13:14:56Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Alan Dershowitz [thinks](https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/446394-dershowitz-supreme-court-could-overrule-an-unconstitutional-impeachment) that “the judiciary may indeed have a role in reining in Congress were it to exceed its constitutional authority” by impeaching for something that wasn’t a “high crime or misdemeanor”. However, that wouldn’t seem to apply here since obstruction of justice is a “high crime”, and Trump has committed obstruction of justice. Huh. That would be an interesting test of the constitution. My understanding is it is the congress, and the congress alone that determines what a high crime or misdemeanor is. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/518 "2019-06-02T13:43:08Z")
Dershowitz is a Trump toady. Who gives a fuck what he thinks? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/519 "2019-06-02T13:49:08Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > … on the cutting room floor is the subsequent scene… > > “Hey, Master, you sure two is enough?” > > “Lo, for it is written by my Father.” > > “I mean… won’t fighting them make them madder? Perhaps we should wait for some real calamity before we strike.” > > “…” > > “I mean, Rome has to fall sometime. Continue along this course and, well, it can be bad. For you, for me, for a lot of people. I mean, Augustus still has 40% support! Can’t we wait until Rome falls?” > > “They will know neither the time nor place…” > > “Fuck you, guy! Sure, let’s do this! JESUS HATES ROMANS, YOU MOTHERFUCKERS! See? I can fight too!” > > _In time, Jesus gets nailed to the cross._ > > “Told ya so! What a moron!” Okay, I admit it: I lol’d ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/520 "2019-06-02T13:51:43Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Huh? > > The ‘court’ will be the US House. SCOTUS nor any other court doesn’t have anything to do with it. Actually, the court will be the Senate. The House of Representatives is the outfit that indicts, so to speak. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the Senate for that trial, and that is the judiciary’s sole function if the president gets impeached. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=27)