# The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907 "2019-01-17T01:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/41 "2019-01-17T15:45:30Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > You all sound like a bunch of fucking Republicans; we must line up behind the leader and anyone who questions her is the enemy. A new high in unclarity, even for you. Are you suggesting we need to back Pelosi like good little Nazis, or are you uncomfortable with the way Ms. Pelosi is pwning Trump just now? Anyone who supports someone you loathe, even if only sometimes, is a Republican? Something else entirely? ETA: Nevermind, you clarified. I disagree with your position. Is that way over the line? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/42 "2019-01-17T15:50:50Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Pelosi just pulled her stunt, do you not understand that it takes about a week for events to start to show their impact in polling? Are you really that fucking stupid? What you and your ilk don’t understand is that Pelosi is pulling stunts like this _instead_ of investigating Trump and pursuing impeachment. She’ll pander to the moderately informed for cheap fund raising and business as usual bullshit, but she won’t take a stand and pursue the removal from office of Trump. You’re worried about optics and you think it would somehow look better if her first priority of business were to subpoena the president at a time when 800,000 civil servants are losing a month of income already? Isn’t Bob Mueller already investigating the president? What is she more capable of achieving at this point: an impeachment with a Republican senate, or getting the government open again? Let me guess…you’re a Bernie bro. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/43 "2019-01-17T15:52:57Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Pelosi just pulled her stunt, do you not understand that it takes about a week for events to start to show their impact in polling? Are you really that fucking stupid? What you and your ilk don’t understand is that Pelosi is pulling stunts like this _instead_ of investigating Trump and pursuing impeachment. She’ll pander to the moderately informed for cheap fund raising and business as usual bullshit, but she won’t take a stand and pursue the removal from office of Trump. She’s not pursuing impeachment becaue she thinks it’s a bad move not because canceling this SotU is taking up all her time. And in case you missed the news, there’s a rather extensive investigation into Trump already going on. It’s pretty weird for you to complain about this “stunt” when a doomed to fail impeachment attempt you wish for would be a hell of a costlier outrageous stunt. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/44 "2019-01-17T16:08:31Z")
More specifically, it’s \*premature \*to pursue impeachment until after Mueller reports out. > [@madmonk28](#): > > Pelosi just pulled her stunt, do you not understand that it takes about a week for events to start to show their impact in polling? Are you really that fucking stupid? You’d have to provide some basis for expecting such a reversal other than your own hatred, wherever that originates. So, what is it? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/45 "2019-01-17T16:18:38Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > You all sound like a bunch of fucking Republicans; we must line up behind the leader and anyone who questions her is the enemy. Let’s check back in a week and see if public opinion starts to blame the Democrats for the shutdown and Trump’s approval starts to creep up. Many of us were not keen on Pelosi being the new Speaker. This thread, IMO, is a place to appreciate that she’s doing a fine job and is impressive beyond our expectations. That’s how I see it anyway. So, I’m not lining up behind her _because she’s the leader_, I’m applauding her leadership. As for “business as usual,” after the past two years I think returning to business as usual would be a good first step. After that we can start working on more progressive reforms. The clear and present danger right now is Trump. And the people enabling him (looking at you, Mitch). Speaker Pelosi seems to understand that. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/46 "2019-01-17T16:28:21Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > You all sound like a bunch of fucking Republicans; we must line up behind the leader and anyone who questions her is the enemy. Let’s check back in a week and see if public opinion starts to blame the Democrats for the shutdown and Trump’s approval starts to creep up. > [@asahi](#): > > You’re worried about optics and you think it would somehow look better if her first priority of business were to subpoena the president at a time when 800,000 civil servants are losing a month of income already? Isn’t Bob Mueller already investigating the president? What is she more capable of achieving at this point: an impeachment with a Republican senate, or getting the government open again? > > Let me guess…you’re a Bernie bro. Holy shit, there’s some kind of Freaky Friday thing going on! **asahi** has taken over **madmonk** ’s account to accuse everyone of being in Trump’s corner, and **madmonk** had taken over **ashai** ’s account to be a voice of reason! ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/47 "2019-01-17T16:37:01Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > What you and your ilk don’t understand is that Pelosi is pulling stunts like this _instead_ of investigating Trump and pursuing impeachment. She’ll pander to the moderately informed for cheap fund raising and business as usual bullshit, but she won’t take a stand and pursue the removal from office of Trump. Pursuing impeachment at this point of time would be just about the stupidest thing for the Dems to do. Yes it feels good for the Liberal base, but it accomplishes nothing (there is no way senate votes for removal), and it actually undermines our best weapon against Trump. There is right now as we speak an non-partisan independent investigation that is uncovering more of Trump’s deepest darkest secrets than anything the Dems could do on their own. If The Dems start grandstanding with a partisan investigation of their own and calls for impeachment , then it will get mixed up with Mueller investigation in the public’s eyes, and be largely dismissed as all partisan. Pelosi needs to let Mueller and the New York AGs finish their work, and then once all the secrets have been carefully arranged in nice neat little piles by an independent entity, she can decide best how to use this ammunition to storm the castle. You complained of her playing small ball, but I will remind you what moneyball taught us. Home runs are exciting and all for the fans, but if you want to win games, pay attention to the on base percentage. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/48 "2019-01-17T16:52:35Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You seem to have forgotten that there was a deal of 25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA that Trump said he would sign. He than refused to sign it after it passed both chambers of Congress because right-wing loudmouths complained. > He can’t be trusted to keep his side of a deal. Trump has a well-documented history of lying, cheating and weaseling on deals. Trusting him to keep his word only leads to tears and regret. He only understands power, and Pelosi is showing him that she can go toe-to-toe with the best of them. I’m sure that he rages around the White House at night because a woman is daring to get into a punching contest with him. Hopefully, he’ll work himself up into a stroke. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/49 "2019-01-17T16:55:35Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’m not lining up behind her _because she’s the leader_, I’m applauding her leadership. I just thought this deserved repeating. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/50 "2019-01-17T16:56:39Z")
Her leadership is also why we have ACA, as well. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/51 "2019-01-17T17:11:39Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > The problem with Pelosi is that she’ll use her leverage for some stupid small-ball gain. She doesn’t understand the game has completely changed and she’s so fucking old. I’m gen x and I waited my whole life for the boomers to get out of the way and they never fucking did. 1. Pelosi isn’t a Boomer. She was born in 1940. 2. The oldest Boomers are 73, the youngest ones are 54. You’re gonna be waiting a _loooooong_ time yet. I plan on being around for another 30-35 years. (Nyaah, nyaah! :p) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/52 "2019-01-17T17:24:44Z")
From the evidence I’ve seen, Gen-X should never be allowed the reins of power. Kamala Harris rides the line. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/53 "2019-01-17T17:25:30Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I’m gen x and I waited my whole life for the boomers to get out of the way and they never fucking did. Guess what? We boomers have been waiting our whole lives for the generation older than us (the Silent Generation?) to get out of the way, and they still have 15 seats in the Senate and 33 seats in the House. You’re going to be waiting a long time, bud. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/54 "2019-01-17T17:56:47Z")
Waiting is for losers. You have to \*make \*it happen. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/55 "2019-01-17T18:14:29Z")
As for Pelosi’s Trump-handling skills, raising five children had to have been great training for dealing with toddlers’ tantrums. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/56 "2019-01-17T18:20:52Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It’s funny how she was, merely a few months ago, even more of a super bitch than Hillary Clinton, facing an intra-party revolt from political outsiders who were certain she was an old hag who had no place in politics. > > But take a look at what she’s doing now. Look at how she’s playing Donald Trump. The Trumpster fire knew how to beat Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail, and he knew how to wreck much of the Washington establishment. Trump has changed the calculus of campaigning. > > But Nancy Pelosi is an entirely different opponent, and I’m not sure that Trump (or even the layperson) really understands it yet. Pelosi is a shrewd, calculating, political bad-ass. Donald Trump is like a tough man contest brawler. He screams. He charges. He throws haymakers. And the rest of the Washington establishment wasn’t prepared. Nancy Pelosi is like an aikido-ka. She’s using his raw energy against him, and pinning him in his own corner. It’s a sight to behold. (post shortened) Behold the future of federal legislation. Elections have consequences. Pelosi is an old school politician who brings in a lot of campaign money for the Democrats. She definitely knows how to wield money and power. A lesson quickly learned by Rep. Kathleen Rice (D-NY) who was a leader against Pelosi regaining the speakership. No Judiciary Committee seat for you, Kathleen. I assume other elected Democrats will have learned a valuable lesson in yellow-dog politics. > **[Report: Speaker Pelosi Is Out For Revenge Against Her Fellow Democrats](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/01/16/report-speaker-pelosi-is-out-for-revenge-against-her-fellow-democrats-n2539124)** > > Wow. With her current move against having a Republican President speak to the U.S. House, and moves such as making Rep. Maxine Waters, (D-Calif) the head of the House Financial Services Committee, and adding Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, (D-N.Y.) to the same committee, Pelosi has now made it clear that elected Democrats will not be working any elected Republicans for at least the next two years. Maybe Pelosi will change her mind if Republicans would embrace socialism? > **[Waters, Ocasio-Cortez, and Democrats prepare to push Financial Services...](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/765228/waters-ocasio-cortez-and-democrats-prepare-to-push-financial-services-committee-into-social-issues/)** > > House Democrats are poised to push the House Financial Services Committee into hot-button social issues. With Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif, wielding the gavel and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., and other progressive freshmen occupying the... ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/57 "2019-01-17T18:23:26Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > As for Pelosi’s Trump-handling skills, raising five children had to have been great training for dealing with toddlers’ tantrums. She probably told the nanny to handle to handle the children. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/58 "2019-01-17T18:27:27Z")
TLDR **doorhinge** version of the world: bipartisanship was thriving in DC until Mean Ol’ Nancy took over. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/59 "2019-01-17T18:29:36Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > She probably told the nanny to handle to handle the children. [Stay at home mom.](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2013/12/04/pelosi-i-was-a-housewife-then-i-got-a-life-n1757368) Shove it, **Doorknob**. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/60 "2019-01-17T18:30:36Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Mean Ol’ Nancy Are the Fox gigglers still calling her Bela Pelosi? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=4)