# The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907 "2019-01-17T01:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/581 "2019-06-08T18:42:44Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > But how do we know that impeachment will cost political capital? Maybe it’ll make low information voters less likely to vote for him in 2020. I’m not opposed to impeachment. I’m for whatever gets us rid of the callous ignorant swine. However, I’m not convinced it’s necessary if sufficient information about Trump’s malfeasance is released by the half dozen or so currently ongoing congressional investigations. I imagine that Nancy has some confidence that an impeachment process is not necessary to gather sufficient grounds to have Trump charged and convicted after he leaves office. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/582 "2019-06-08T18:55:14Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > But how do we know that impeachment will cost political capital? Maybe it’ll make low information voters less likely to vote for him in 2020. There is the argument that the Senate will acquit Trump, and he will be able to exonerate himself, like he did with the Mueller Report, something which appears to have so far had little to no lasting effect on his approval/disapproval ratings. However, I think one could also make the argument that if the public could be educated about the evidence of Trump’s criminality through the hearings of an impeachment inquiry, then when the Republican senators quash the impeachment trial in the Senate, by fixing the trial parameters or ignoring the evidence in a whitewash, then that might turn the voters against Trump and the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/583 "2019-06-08T19:12:25Z")
Impeachment is on the table - I don’t think there’s been any real disagreement about that. It’s a question about when to impeach. We don’t want to put the president in a position in which voters view him as the victim of a Democratic House majority that simply wants to remove him from office and embarrass his party. People need to understand that many impressionable voters will assume that impeachment isn’t being done to protect the Constitution, but rather to simply score a political victory. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/584 "2019-06-08T19:14:25Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > But how do we know that impeachment will cost political capital? Maybe it’ll make low information voters less likely to vote for him in 2020. Well, “_we_” dont. But \*Pelosi \*does. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/585 "2019-06-09T23:27:03Z")
NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist [Poll](https://www.npr.org/2019/06/08/730697885/poll-support-for-impeachment-hearings-grows-but-americans-split-on-way-forward) finds: > [@](#): > > A slim majority of Americans (52%) want one of the following: to begin impeachment proceedings (22%), to continue investigations into potential political wrongdoing of Trump (25%) or to publicly reprimand him — that is, censure (5%). > > Thirty-nine percent say no further action should be taken and that the current investigations should end. That is largely reflective of Trump’s base, as Trump maintains a 41% approval rating in the poll. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/586 "2019-06-09T23:43:58Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist [Poll](https://www.npr.org/2019/06/08/730697885/poll-support-for-impeachment-hearings-grows-but-americans-split-on-way-forward) finds: Continuing the investigations seems like the best option. Keep the pressure on. Keep making him think that impeachment might come, but don’t make him a victim of politics in the eyes of impressionable voters. He’ll make more unforced errors. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/587 "2019-06-10T10:45:44Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > There is the argument that the Senate will acquit Trump, and he will be able to exonerate himself Yeah, I think the key there would be if he were able to get a majority of the Senate to vote to acquit, as Clinton did. That makes a huge symbolic difference. And I have my doubts about whether he would get the majority. There are some Republicans in blue states who have to worry about reelection, but more broadly, these senators know that a century or two hence, one of the few ways in which they will still be remembered in history books given out to kids across the country will be whether they voted for or against removal. I think there would be one or two surprising names on the “Remove” side when it comes right down to it, and removal would probably get 52-55 votes. More if Trumpy has done some subsequent notably cray-cray shit by that time, which is of course easily conceivable. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/588 "2019-06-10T11:01:28Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yeah, I think the key there would be if he were able to get a majority of the Senate to vote to acquit, as Clinton did. That makes a huge symbolic difference. And I have my doubts about whether he would get the majority. There are some Republicans in blue states who have to worry about reelection, but more broadly, these senators know that a century or two hence, one of the few ways in which they will still be remembered in history books given out to kids across the country will be whether they voted for or against removal. > > I think there would be one or two surprising names on the “Remove” side when it comes right down to it, and removal would probably get 52-55 votes. More if Trumpy has done some subsequent notably cray-cray shit by that time, which is of course easily conceivable. If the economy is bad, if the president botches a response to a natural disaster in America’s heartland, things can change right quick. The key is that Republican senators, and a fair number in the House and in the party generally, must fear losing power. Senators must have a reason to fear losing their political lives and their access to the levers of power. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/589 "2019-06-10T15:53:48Z")
[New advert](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1138091056409583616) by Republicans for the Rule of Law. It [will air](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/447651-gop-group-urges-republicans-to-speak-out-on-obstruction-claims-against-trump) during an ad break on today’s “Fox & Friends”. I think it would be useful to have one-minute Mueller Report summary adverts placed in Fox News ad breaks. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/590 "2019-06-10T16:32:22Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’m not opposed to impeachment. I’m for whatever gets us rid of the callous ignorant swine. > > However, I’m not convinced it’s necessary if sufficient information about Trump’s malfeasance is released by the half dozen or so currently ongoing congressional investigations. I imagine that Nancy has some confidence that an impeachment process is not necessary to gather sufficient grounds to have Trump charged and convicted after he leaves office. So he’s convicted. Then what? Fines? I doubt there is anyway he’ll spend time in prison. What do you do about his security detail? I’d be all for a special prison just for him out in the Nevada desert, I really don’t know how the hell else they would do it. Except for the absolutely devout, I suspect most of his followers will just go back to inspecting navel lint. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/591 "2019-06-10T17:19:56Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > [New advert](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1138091056409583616) by Republicans for the Rule of Law. It [will air](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/447651-gop-group-urges-republicans-to-speak-out-on-obstruction-claims-against-trump) during an ad break on today’s “Fox & Friends”. > > I think it would be useful to have one-minute Mueller Report summary adverts placed in Fox News ad breaks. I’m afraid it is way too subtle - the average Fox viewer is going to think it is an ad in support of the Barr investigation into the investigators. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/592 "2019-06-10T17:29:44Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Continuing the investigations seems like the best option. Keep the pressure on. Keep making him think that impeachment might come, but don’t make him a victim of politics in the eyes of impressionable voters. He’ll make more unforced errors. Ah, but remember: [Republicans are ALWAYS the REAL victims!](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=864487)[:rolleyes:](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=864487) ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/593 "2019-06-10T18:37:46Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Personally, I don’t think one person voted against Hillary based on the “deplorables” comment. Those who were offended by it weren’t going to vote for her anyway. Well, I know two who did, so I guess technically I’ve disproved that opinion. Now, neither were going to vote _for_ Hillary, but both were going to sit out the election because they weren’t enthused about Trump. Instead both ended up voting for Trump to “spite” Hillary. Never underestimate the power of even the mildest of insults and the capacity for people to feel outraged, rational or not. It was a _phenomenally_ tone-deaf statement and an absolutely damaging one. Clinton should have had that election and her weak electoral strategy and occasional crap politicking is mostly to blame. Yes there were dirty tricks, but like bad refereeing in a sports game it wouldn’t have tipped the balance is she had done everything else right. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/594 "2019-06-11T05:52:01Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > [New advert](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1138091056409583616) by Republicans for the Rule of Law. It [will air](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/447651-gop-group-urges-republicans-to-speak-out-on-obstruction-claims-against-trump) during an ad break on today’s “Fox & Friends”. > I think it would be useful to have one-minute Mueller Report summary adverts placed in Fox News ad breaks. Cosigned. The grammar in that tweet has me gritting my teeth though. > [@Tamerlane](#): > > Never underestimate the power of even the mildest of insults and the capacity for people to feel outraged, rational or not. It was a _phenomenally_ tone-deaf statement and an absolutely damaging one. Phenomenally tone-deaf? Really? How would you describe the shit Trump said on a daily basis? Talk about a double standard. And I have yet to understand: since Hillary said only half of Trump voters were “deplorables”, why would every Trump backer who heard that assume she was talking about them as opposed to thinking they must be in the “non-deplorable” half? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/595 "2019-06-11T06:17:38Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Phenomenally tone-deaf? Really? How would you describe the shit Trump said on a daily basis? Talk about a double standard. It’s absolutely a double-standard, because frankly too many people have normalized Trump’s shitty behavior. He can get away with it - it’s part of his political persona. But you can’t out-wrestle a pig. If you are going to go negative, concentrate only on **Trump** not his supporters. Lord knows there is plenty to concentrate on. > [@](#): > > And I have yet to understand: since Hillary said only half of Trump voters were “deplorables”, why would every Trump backer who heard that assume she was talking about them as opposed to thinking they must be in the “non-deplorable” half? Because “half” is a big fucking number and in Republican country where most vote or leans red it soon becomes many of the people you know - neighbors, family and friends. It doesn’t matter if you think she is referring to you - if you think she might mean cousin John, that’s bad enough. _“I mean sure, John’s a little bigoted, but he still has a good heart.”_ :rolleyes: It would be have been marginally better if she’d said “5%” or some such thing, but it really doesn’t matter. It’s tone deaf, either way. Nor does it matter if it is right or not. You can believe it, just don’t say it out loud. It’s called being a politician. ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/596 "2019-06-11T07:33:57Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > these senators know that a century or two hence, one of the few ways in which they will still be remembered in history books given out to kids across the country will be whether they voted for or against removal. I think you are wildly overestimating what’s in a school history textbook. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/597 "2019-06-11T07:49:39Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > So he’s convicted. Then what? Fines? I doubt there is anyway he’ll spend time in prison. What do you do about his security detail? > > I’d be all for a special prison just for him out in the Nevada desert, I really don’t know how the hell else they would do it. Except for the absolutely devout, I suspect most of his followers will just go back to inspecting navel lint. The way it’s been done for the brother-in-law of the Spanish king is by sending him to a prison wing that’s otherwise completely unused. The rest of the prison is women’s-only and that same prison has been used in the same way for other high-profile criminals. They’re not officially in isolation, they have access to all of the wing’s common areas during as many hours as any other person in general population, but there simply aren’t any other prisoners there. Do you guys have any semi-empty prisons laying about? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/598 "2019-06-11T08:41:34Z")
> [@UnwittingAmericans](#): > > I think you are wildly overestimating what’s in a school history textbook. I think I have a pretty decent idea, given that I majored in history, my wife’s primary certification is secondary social studies education, and I’ve read James Loewen’s _Lies My Teacher Told Me_ (in fact, I can see it on the bookshelf from where I am). I’m not saying they will list a roll call vote, but there’s a good chance of mentioning those brave Senate Republicans who voted to expel him from office. And if your descendants know their great-grandpa was in the Senate around this time as a Republican, you’re going to want to be remembered as a dissenter. Whatever the case for any given school or textbook, \*history \*(in a more general sense) will remember who was counted on what side. Within a relatively short window (say twenty years), I believe it’s going to look pretty bad to have voted to keep Trump in office. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/599 "2019-06-11T10:55:03Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > … > It would be have been marginally better if she’d said “5%” or some such thing, but it really doesn’t matter. It’s tone deaf, either way. Nor does it matter if it is right or not. You can believe it, just don’t say it out loud. It’s called being a politician. Even if she had qualified the description somehow, the qualifier would not have been quoted. Only the d-word itself would have made it into the sound bite. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/600 "2019-06-11T13:06:22Z")
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