# The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907 "2019-01-17T01:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/621 "2019-06-13T10:41:40Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > …“_This, by definition, the end of democracy. If only the president can determine whether the president’s conduct breaks the law, Trump can be president forever_.” – Joyce Vance It’s the end of the Constitutional concept of separation of powers for sure. To deny congress the power of oversight is to act in complete contravention of the Constitution’s core principles. Democracy will probably continue to exist in one form or another, and for white Americans who have job security, things might seem almost…“normal.” It’s just that people will be suspicious of election results and doubt the legitimacy of the government, which isn’t a problem for a party that seeks power for the sake of having it, but more problematic for political parties that seek legitimacy and consent to govern. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/622 "2019-06-13T12:28:09Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Ya gotta wonder what the pillow talk in their house sounds like… According to the recent Wolff book (which he discusses on YouTube), Kellyanne agrees with her husband about Trump!! Supposedly this is well known to friends of the couple. (If true, how do we explain her continued employment? She’s a mole, trying to track or reduce the damage?) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/623 "2019-06-13T13:30:43Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Ya gotta wonder what the pillow talk in their house sounds like… To George? Muffled, ideally. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/624 "2019-06-13T18:06:16Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > _This, by definition, the end of democracy. If only the president can determine whether the president’s conduct breaks the law, Trump can be president forever._ > [@asahi](#): > > It’s the end of the Constitutional concept of separation of powers for sure. To deny congress the power of oversight is to act in complete contravention of the Constitution’s core principles. To paraphrase the Religious Right: The term _separation of powers_ doesn’t appear in the text of the constitution, even once. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/625 "2019-06-13T18:07:40Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > According to the recent Wolff book (which he discusses on YouTube), Kellyanne agrees with her husband about Trump!! Supposedly this is well known to friends of the couple. > > (If true, how do we explain her continued employment? She’s a mole, trying to track or reduce the damage?) If she’s a mole (or trying to reduce the damage), she’s _really_ bad at it. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2019, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/626 "2019-06-15T12:10:05Z")
> **[Pelosi’s Agenda Is Popular — Much More So Than Impeaching Trump](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pelosis-agenda-is-popular-much-more-so-than-impeaching-trump/)** > > One of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s arguments against a Democratic push for the impeachment of President Trump is essentially … “What’s the point?” With Repub… > [@](#): > > Pelosi has outlined an agenda of nine signature bills. Democrats have approved six of them. And Pelosi’s agenda, unlike impeachment, is popular with the public; it unites congressional Democrats and to some extent divides congressional Republicans. And these bills, as opposed to impeaching Trump, align well with what appears to be Pelosi’s broader strategy: to force GOP incumbents to vote against popular legislation in advance of the 2020 elections, protect Democrats in closely divided districts from tough votes, and keep the Democrats talking about and doing things that the public likes. This is pretty much what my concern has been with impeachment, and why I think Pelosi’s approach is the right one. The politics and the agenda are what matter more than impeaching Trump. Absent of any evidence showing widespread support for impeachment, it’s really up to voters to impeach Trump now. Democrats have to make the case that their ideas are better for ordinary people, and that they are better at actually governing the country than Republicans. Jumping right into impeachment blows it all up. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/627 "2019-06-15T14:12:44Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > If she’s a mole (or trying to reduce the damage), she’s _really_ bad at it. Scary thought of the day - what if she’s really good at it? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/628 "2019-06-15T15:25:50Z")
Democrats should use [this clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Db2zwDitk&feature=youtu.be&t=108) of McConnell. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/629 "2019-06-15T18:48:44Z")
Asahi, agreed. The impeachment debate played out pretty intensely last night on Maher, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/630 "2019-06-16T20:29:07Z")
Even if Chump cannot be successfully impeached, highlighting his unethical and criminal activity could spur a heavier Democratic turnout in 2020. I just hope the Dem candidates don’t waste all their time shouting what everyone already knows, that Chump is bad. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/631 "2019-06-17T22:02:52Z")
[Fox News poll](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1140727089055842308): > [@](#): > > Do you think the Trump campaign coordinated with Russian government in 2016? > Yes 50% > No 44% > > Should Trump be impeached? > 43% Yes, impeach him and remove him from office > 7% Yes, impeach him but don’t remove him from office > 48% No ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/632 "2019-06-17T22:21:22Z")
[Here’s](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-voters-doubt-impeachment-will-happen) an official Fox News source for the polls. Instead of using a headline along the lines of “More Americans believe Trump should be impeached than believe he shouldn’t be” or “Half of Americans think Trump should be impeached”, Fox have highlighted a different poll question, “Voters doubt impeachment will happen”, which is not a very meaningful or significant poll question, since it’s dependent on the whim of one person - Pelosi - who could change her mind at any time. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/633 "2019-06-18T01:15:08Z")
If the polls are accurate and reflect a shift, then I think this is proof that Pelosi’s slow-cook impeachment approach is actually working. Everyone knows that the threat of impeachment is on the table. And one by one, committees are conducting their work methodically. They’re calling witnesses, they’re getting subpoenas for evidence, and they’re threatening contempt when they don’t comply. And when they still don’t comply, they sue in court. It takes energy to defend against the relentless onslaught of the oversight and judicial process. It takes energy that, I think, team Trump will eventually start to run out of, if Democrats can play this the right way. But the real reason is because Trump is screwing up and Pelosi is not going to let House Democrats take the blame for derailing Trump’s agenda just because they’re out for revenge. Impeachment is still very much an option, but she’s going to wait until it’s clear that the voters have started to abandon him FIRST. She wants to give voters more time to watch Trump fuck up with what he says and what he does. She wants voters to see more unhinged threats of trade wars with Mexico - **all the better knowing that Republicans in the Senate and the US Chamber of Commerce will be the one to slap his ass back down.** She wants voters to watch more absolutely unhinged, off-the-chain interviews in which he actually admits on a live mic that he’s fine with foreign interference…it kinda proves what Mueller and the 18 Angry Democrats have been saying, right? No offense to Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, who is obviously a brilliant woman and future star in Democratic politics, but Nancy Pelosi knows that this isn’t some boycott; this is a political war. War is complex. War requires all the calculation and strategy of a military general. I won’t say that Pelosi won’t occasionally miscalculate, but I think she knows what she’s doing and she knows how to defeat Trump. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/634 "2019-06-18T13:47:56Z")
[https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/17/house-foreign-affairs-panel-oversight-trump-1365840](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/17/house-foreign-affairs-panel-oversight-trump-1365840) > [@](#): > > The House Foreign Affairs Committee is quietly amassing documents on allegations of politically motivated retaliation at the State Department. It’s looking into whether Trump has violated foreign emoluments and conflict of interest rules, and lawmakers are working to find out more about the president’s relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin and how Trump leads American foreign policy behind the scenes — all without the fanfare associated with the other committees’ work. > > The panel has secured wins on a number of fronts, **and aides and lawmakers alike attribute that to the under-the-radar support they’re getting from Republicans** , many of whom have grown exasperated with the president’s decisions on foreign policy and national security issues. This is how you build the case for impeaching Trump. You don’t build that case by barging in and boasting that we’re going to impeach the motherfucker; you approach it relentlessly, methodically, strategically. This is war. Only a fool rushes into battle. Study the opponent. Find the weakness. Find his enemies. Set up a battle plan. Wait until the enemy’s energy is low. Wait until he’s least prepared for the attack. And then, attack with fire and fury. To use a boxing analogy, what Pelosi and her allies are doing is going to the body. It looks like they’re not landing punches, but they’re working the body in rounds 1 through 8; the uppercuts and knockout punches will come later. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/635 "2019-06-18T15:44:33Z")
Good metaphor, great post. > [@](#): > > under-the-radar support they’re getting from Republicans Sweet. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/636 "2019-06-20T12:03:33Z")
Here’s a guy who appreciates our Nancy! [**Trump defends Pelosi to Fox News’ Sean Hannity**](https://www.axios.com/trump-defends-pelosi-to-fox-news-sean-hannity-4fe2f45b-2cc0-41ce-be34-6ca480f357e5.html) > [@](#): > > President Trump defended House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) during a telephone interview on Fox News’ “Hannity” Wednesday night. > > Details: Host Sean Hannity suggested to Trump that Pelosi had lost control of the Democratic Party to progressives like Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), saying she’s the “speaker in name.” But Trump replied, “I think Nancy Pelosi probably has control of it, I hear different things but I think she does. She knows what she’s doing. We will see how it all comes out out.” > … Anyone care to interpret this? I think he is afraid of her–in a good way. She won’t be manipulated or messed with. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/637 "2019-06-20T12:44:35Z")
He sees her \*not \*convening impeachment hearings. That makes her Not Sad! Today. Which is as far as he sees. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/638 "2019-06-20T12:56:54Z")
Wasn’t it just a couple of weeks ago that he was talking trash about how Nancy is losing her mind or is a drunk?.. Yeah, Trump doesn’t have a long strategy or a healthy fear/respect for Nancy. He simply says whatever comes to whatever is left of his diminished mental faculties. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/639 "2019-06-20T12:59:43Z")
It’s brilliant the way that she has handled him. She knows that Trump’s true power is in his ability to connect with people - even if they’re not all necessarily nice people, she knows that he can put on a show and amuse a crowd. She also knows that he doesn’t always understand the consequences of his decisions and that he’s rash and impulsive. There’s nothing amusing or entertaining about telling 800,000 people they’re not going to get a paycheck for a month. It was brilliant how she let him have and own his very own government shutdown. He kept looking for a face-saving way out and she didn’t give it to him, which also earned her some street cred with the party’s hardcore leftists who didn’t want her to give in on wall funding - she didn’t. That’s why when I hear freshmen representatives like AOC and Talib publicly air their frustrations with her I wanna just tell them to shut the hell up. They just got there and she’s been doing this since they were in daycare. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/640 "2019-06-20T13:02:58Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Wasn’t it just a couple of weeks ago that he was talking trash about how Nancy is losing her mind or is a drunk?.. > > Yeah, Trump doesn’t have a long strategy or a healthy fear/respect for Nancy. He simply says whatever comes to whatever is left of his diminished mental faculties. Pretty much this. ^ He doesn’t know how to fight her - like at all. He was lashing out at her because he was humiliated. The sting of the comments has worn off, I guess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=33)