# The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907 "2019-01-17T01:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/721 "2020-01-14T15:08:05Z")
This is precisely how she’s not a nut. **Nancy Pelosi gamed the impeachment trial brilliantly** > **[Opinion | Nancy Pelosi gamed the impeachment trial brilliantly](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/13/nancy-pelosi-gamed-impeachment-trial-brilliantly/)** > > She'll be walking away from the articles of impeachment with three major victories. > [@](#): > > …Pelosi’s act is best understood as an attempt to do what she excels at: managing intraparty tensions. Withholding the articles over the Christmas holiday season gave her three distinct wins in that never-ending battle. > > Her biggest win will be among progressive activists and donors. They wanted Trump impeached since his inauguration, yet when Pelosi took the speaker’s gavel last January, she pointedly did not authorize an immediate impeachment proceeding. Instead, she waited until a new revelation gave her public grounds — some might say a pretext — to initiate them. This was smart politics but clearly came at some cost to her as she held back the progressive tide. > > Withholding the articles allowed her to show progressives that she would fight, not just acquiesce, to remove Trump from office. She’s a good enough politician to know that she had to send them over sometime in January because she had no leverage to force McConnell to deal. But her simple act of defiance signaled to an important party audience that she was on their side. This should help her raise money and motivate activists as she defends her precarious majority in the fall. > > She also wins by pinning the blame for Trump’s eventual acquittal on McConnell. Democratic failure to persuade Trump backers to even consider impeaching the president has always meant the Senate trial’s outcome is a foregone conclusion. By holding the articles and forcing McConnell to do what he was going to do — run the trial his way — Pelosi gives Democrats a scapegoat for their eventual failure to remove Trump. They can blame McConnell’s allegedly unfair and prejudicial rules for the debacle rather than their own failure to bring even a small portion of the non-Democratic electorate behind them. Since Democrats already view McConnell as a mendacious partisan, this is an easy sell. > … There’s more, but you get the idea. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/722 "2020-01-14T15:50:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [McConnell Doesn't Have Votes to Block Witnesses: Report | Law & Crime](https://lawandcrime.com/impeachment/mcconnell-doesnt-have-the-votes-to-dismiss-impeachment-charges-or-block-witnesses-reports/) > > If this is true, that McConnell doesn’t have the votes to dismiss or block witnesses, then once again, Nancy wins. I suspect that this isn’t the end of it. She has more up her sleeve. She is smarter than you and me put together. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/723 "2020-02-05T03:29:06Z")
Nancy Pelosi ripping up the speech was everything! That’s this year’s meme. ---
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/724 "2020-02-05T06:17:06Z")
So tomorrow (or today, depending on your time zone), Trump tears up the Articles of Impeachment, declaring “I win.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/725 "2020-02-05T06:25:29Z")
And the Democrats run ads showing the Arab League tearing up Trump(and Jared!)'s unanimously rejected peace plan. And the wind tearing down the wall. And Trump government officials tearing children way from parents. Trump and the GOP have no high road here. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/726 "2020-09-03T13:15:57Z")
Thanks, Nancy, for bringing us all Salongate. Your timing was impeccable. I mean, there is nothing so trite that Fox News and the right wing won’t try to blow out of proportion, but why did you hair have to be part of it? You brought this one on yourself, you careless fucking idiot. Good job. Much appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/727 "2020-09-03T13:50:52Z")
As Snowboarder Bo would say, “Aye!” Yeah, Nancy got socked this time. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/728 "2020-09-03T13:57:22Z")
The salon owner (who isn’t the person who did her hair) is partly responsible. Supposedly she was aware of the appointment a day or two before it occurred and didn’t put a stop to it. And then she released footage to Fox News. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/729 "2020-09-03T14:19:47Z")
It wasn’t the salon owner’s job to prevent Pelosi from being an idiot. Nor was she responsible for Pelosi swanning around without her mask while the employees were wearing theirs. Nancy screwed the pooch. Let’s just all call it out and not try to qualify it any further. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/730 "2020-09-03T14:49:53Z")
It’s the salon owner’s responsibility to be familiar with the current rules surrounding reopening of hair salons and barbershops, given the situation is rapidly changing. (I believe a day later, the appointment would have been allowed.) She should have stepped in and told the stylist who rents the chair that the appointment would violate the rules, or call the customer to let them know. Instead she let the appointment go forward and then gave the security camera footage to Fox News. That does not sound like a business owner looking out for the interests of her customer but instead someone setting someone up. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/731 "2020-09-03T15:00:26Z")
Oh, FFS. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/732 "2020-09-03T15:05:38Z")
Well, that’s a well thought-out and reasoned argument. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/733 "2020-09-03T15:37:08Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I mean, there is nothing so trite that Fox News and the right wing won’t try to blow out of proportion, but why did you hair have to be part of it? You brought this one on yourself, you careless fucking idiot. Good job. Much appreciated. I don’t think this will move the needle one bit. Fox News? Their viewers already are committed to the anti-Nancy camp. No one else is really paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/734 "2020-09-03T15:43:04Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I don’t think this will move the needle one bit. Fox News? Their viewers already are committed to the anti-Nancy camp. No one else is really paying attention. Of course. But why give the grimy little fucks the satisfaction? ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/735 "2020-09-03T15:48:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > It’s the salon owner’s responsibility to be familiar with the current rules surrounding reopening of hair salons and barbershops, given the situation is rapidly changing. Sorry, but **Quicksilver** is absolutely right on this one. I’m a fan of Nancy, but she fucked up here. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/736 "2020-09-03T15:49:50Z")
How about some personal responsibility on behalf of Pelosi? And don’t let me hear you say that it goes without saying. It needed saying. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/737 "2020-09-03T15:52:11Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > I’m a fan of Nancy, but she fucked up here. Me too. That’s why I feel so let down by her and those who would rather make excuses and shift blame. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/738 "2020-09-03T16:31:50Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > How about some personal responsibility on behalf of Pelosi? And don’t let me hear you say that it goes without saying. It needed saying. Did you notice that I said the salon owner was “partly responsible”? I agree that Pelosi was stupid for allowing herself to be manipulated like that. But the salon owner could have and should have prevented the situation from occurring. And I’ll bet that her involvement in this event isn’t going to win her many customers in Pelosi’s district and it will probably lose her some of her customer base. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/739 "2020-09-03T16:54:20Z")
I noticed. Which is exactly what I was expecting people would say. Which is completely besides the fucking point. Pelosi is a seasoned politician. She knows what’s at stake. She understands the optics of what happens when she doesn’t practice what she preaches and what she admonishes the petulant orange child about. She has to show a bright contrast between the constituency that she represents and the MAGATS. She failed in this instance. Demostrably. Why can’t you just admit that it was her fault 100%? Which it was. 100%. Why equivocate and shift blame and distract from the facts of the matter with some irrelevant speculation about what may or may not befall the salon owner? It can’t possibly make you feel better, can it? Seriously. I’m starting to feel like my side of the political spectrum has a serious problem with denial, delusion and hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/740 "2020-09-03T17:04:17Z")
ETA: I don’t even give that big of a fuck that Pelosi screwed up. She made a mistake. One she should have known better than to make, but w/e. I care a little more that she said that she was the victim of a… what did she call it?.. a trap?.. a set-up? Seriously? Fuck off, Nancy. Nobody made you take your mask off. Shame on you for even trying that bullshit. What really sends me up is fellow progressives trying to argue that anybody but Pelosi was responsible for her own actions. Fuck that noise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=38)