# The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907 "2019-01-17T01:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/81 "2019-01-17T20:00:52Z")
Look. Impeachment has no chance of succeeding if it looks like “Both sides do it, see?”. Doing it based on what we have strong evidence of _right now_ would be just that. Even talking about it feeds the narrative of it being just partisan spite, and that narrative is especially strong among those who know no higher principle than partisan spite. But when Mueller reports out, which may be in only a month or so, we’ll \*all \*know, even the Spite Party. It may be that we’ll know there just isn’t enough there to justify it, or it may be that there’s so much there that it can’t be avoided. While the spiters know partisanship, they also know collusion with the Russians and the former KGB head who is now their President. They also know bribery and corruption, and whatever else is going to be in there. If that’s the case, then all of them, _even the Republicans_, will be in favor of it, and it will happen. So talking about it \*now \*only hamstrings the Democrats in case there isn’t enough there. It doesn’t help anyone at any time. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/82 "2019-01-17T20:04:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > But when Mueller reports out, which may be in only a month or so, we’ll \*all \*know, even the Spite Party. Don’t count on it. Burr will be AG by then, after telling the Senate the [Mueller report may not be made public](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/15/william-barr-confirmation-hearing-robert-mueller-report). ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/83 "2019-01-17T20:06:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by \*\*blindboyard \*\* > She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing. > [@DrDeth](#): > > No, Trump & McConnel are doing that. There was a deal, there was a budget, and Trump went back on it. > > The issue is that the House sets the budget. It’s there in the Constitution. The President can veto said budget but cant add items. > > Trump is attempting to subvert the Constitution. For the benefit of blindboyard and others who apparently like to form an opinion by pulling nonsense out of their asses, here is a summary courtesy of business insider: December 11: Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer meet with President Donald Trump to discuss the funding deadline. Trump demands $5 billion in border-wall funding, Democrats counter with an offer of $1.6 billion in general border-security funding. **Trump rejects the idea and offers to take the blame for the shutdown.** The president says he would be “proud” to shut down the government. December 19: The Senate\*\* passes a clean short-term funding bill,\*\* called a continuing resolution (CR), that does not include border-wall funding but will keep the government open until February 8. **Trump supported the bill** at the time, Senate GOP leaders said. December 20: **Trump flip-flops on the clean CR after listening to attacks from conservative TV pundits** and the hardline House Freedom Caucus, and he announces that he will not sign a bill with no wall funding. House Republicans then pass a CR that includes $5.7 billion in wall funds. December 21: The Senate votes down the House version of the bill, and the government moves closer to a shutdown at the midnight deadline. Bottom line: Trying to blame the shutdown on the Democrats, who took power in the house on January 3, and do not control the Senate is an exercise in extreme stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/84 "2019-01-17T20:07:50Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > You seem to struggle with a lot of issues. None of which are my concern. Get well soon. You’re not even a very good troll. I quite literally feel sorry for you. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/85 "2019-01-17T20:08:04Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > And you’d be wrong. Bipartisanship was barely limping along in Congress. Now that Pelosi has regained the speakership, she’s made it clear that bipartisanship is dead. So you believe that Republicans like Trump and McConnell were ready and willing to work in good faith and in a bipartisan manner? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/86 "2019-01-17T21:03:11Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Don’t count on it. Burr will be AG by then, after telling the Senate the [Mueller report may not be made public](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/15/william-barr-confirmation-hearing-robert-mueller-report). At which point, does Mueller have himself a Snowden moment and release it anyway? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/87 "2019-01-17T21:15:53Z")
The House can subpoena it if they have to. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/88 "2019-01-17T22:17:04Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > I think you’re right that Trump could have turned this to his advantage. But if [this lame retaliation](https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1085978219872964608) is the best he can come up with after 24 hours, it seems Pelosi was right to take this risk. Nope, now this is what we’ll be talking about, this stupid bickering between two dotards. By this time next week, Trump’s numbers will be up. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/89 "2019-01-17T22:27:41Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Nope, now this is what we’ll be talking about, this stupid bickering between two dotards. By this time next week, Trump’s numbers will be up. I’m just hoping for his number to be up. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/90 "2019-01-17T22:42:00Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Nope, now this is what we’ll be talking about, this stupid bickering between two dotards. By this time next week, Trump’s numbers will be up. It’s possible. We’ll see. Then again, who knows what else will happen in the next few days which may shift the polls either way… ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/91 "2019-01-17T22:45:25Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > The Atlantic has an excellent case for impeaching Trump that went up today. It also is a pretty solid indictment of Pelosi and the old guard. [Impeach Trump Now - The Atlantic](HTTPS://WWW.THEATLANTIC.COM/MAGAZINE/ARCHIVE/2019/03/IMPEACHMENT-TRUMP/580468/) Since you must have the conviction in the Senate, and since the last example of the partisan impeachement without the votes in the Senate in fact bounced back in the face of the House and helped the sitting President then, Mr Clinton - the logic of that argument seems to be 100 percent residing in the wishful and the magical thinking that also motivated the opposition of that time. It is very bad parliamentary politics usually to bring any action that you know will fail and that will not serve as the club against the opponent. That is the politics of the activists, who rarely succeed in the operational politics of the parliaments… It seems to me Madame Pelosi is playing a very wiley game of waiving the red flag in front of the poor impulse control bull and letting him damage himself, rather than playing excitable activist politics (which would serve what practical purpose? how can the already convinced opposition in the USA become more motivated?) ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/92 "2019-01-17T22:55:13Z")
Don’t plan a trip to the Middle East any time soon unless you can take Ms. Pelosi as a seat-mate in [economy class.](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-denies-pelosi-aircraft-for-foreign-trip-in-response-to-call-for-state-of-the-union-delay) ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/93 "2019-01-18T02:21:40Z")
> [@Jeff\_Lichtman](#): > > For House Democrats to vote for impeachment now would be just as stupid. The purpose of impeachment is to attempt to remove a president from office. It is impossible to remove Trump from office right now, because there aren’t enough votes in the Senate. The Republicans still have a majority there, and they have shown no signs so far of standing up to Trump. He would survive an impeachment, which would boost his popularity and could guarantee his re-election. It would be the political equivalent of The Charge of the Light Brigade. > > Democrats need to make a case to the American people that Trump is so bad for the country that he shouldn’t be president. This may be obvious to a lot of us, but so far it isn’t obvious to enough of the public that they’re clamoring for Congress to get rid of him. The Democrats have to make a case for it, and they’ve started to do this. Party leaders aren’t just passively waiting for the Mueller investigation to issue a report. They have opened investigations. In particular, Adam Schiff, head of the House Intelligence Committee, has re-opened the investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election. If these investigations convince the public to put pressure on Congress to impeach and convict Trump, then it’s time to go ahead and impeach him. Impeachment, however much I want it, isn’t necessarily the best plan long-term for the party either. Ugh, I can’t believe I’m going to be this cynical, but here goes: If Trump is still in office in 2020 and the nominee, it probably means the Dems keep the house AND win the Senate… not to mention the WH itself. A forty seat swing just two months ago based on what he’s done in two years. A better Senate map than 2018 AND he didn’t win the popular vote in 2016. He’s just now slowly starting to erode his base. It won’t take much to make up that 100k votes in those three states. More people don’t have to vote D. Just more right-leaning people need to be exasperated and unenthusiastic and not show up. Keeping him as _the_ face of all things GOP has a ripple effect all the way down to local dogcatchers. So if we can keep him from starting war with Iran and destroying things, if Nancy can keep him mostly in line, if we can minimize the damage… is it worth it to let him sulk alone with “Acting Secretary of \_\_\_\_” for two years? I mean, even if he has terrible plans, how is he literally going to implement some of them without any actual staff to do it? I would rather have him gone today and worry about later, but if he’s going to be impossible to remove, Nancy’s going to look to make lemonade out of this pile of lemons. I trust her to put the party first and use his ineptitude and corruption to shore up the Dems as a whole, not just her district or the House. Nancy plays the long game. Does she do everything I want? Nope. Does she get more shit done than anyone else does? Yup. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/94 "2019-01-18T03:14:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@doorhinge](#): > > > > Behold the future of federal legislation. (idiocy snipped) > > I struggle to believe that anyone can be as stupid as you pretend to be. > > I’m pretty convinced that this is performance art, or some kind of [Moderating] **Euphonious** , please do not insert editorial comments such as “idiocy snipped” when using the quote function to quote other poster. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/95 "2019-01-18T03:46:46Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > And you’d be wrong. Bipartisanship was barely limping along in Congress. Now that Pelosi has regained the speakership, she’s made it clear that bipartisanship is dead. Oh fer fucks sake…like the Mitch McConnell who denied a vote on Merrick Garland yet allowed confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh wasn’t partisan. Dude, you’re part of the problem. I know you think that your “moderation,” “centrism,” “independence” or whatever the fuck you want to call it is helping, but it’s not. Your ignorance of how politics works, how the system works is what Russian troll farmers dream of. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/96 "2019-01-18T03:47:54Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You’re not even a very good troll. I quite literally feel sorry for you. He’s a concern troll. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/97 "2019-01-18T03:51:30Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Nope, now this is what we’ll be talking about, this stupid bickering between two dotards. By this time next week, Trump’s numbers will be up. What the hell are you talking about? Trump’s approval/disapproval ratings have been cratering for the past month straight: > **[Politics News | Breaking Political News, Video & Analysis-ABC News](https://abcnews.com/politics)** > > ABC News is your trusted source on political news stories and videos. Get the latest coverage and analysis on everything from the Trump presidency, Senate, House and Supreme Court. Hs disapproval rate is two percentage points and a bit off his all-time worst rating (Dec. 15-18, 2017). What rabbit do you think he’s going to pull out of his ass that will reverse this trend in a week? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/98 "2019-01-18T05:23:52Z")
One of my relatives recently posted something on Facebook purportedly showing how hypocritical and anti-American Pelosi and other Democrats are. Maybe some of you have seen it. It really doesn’t show that at all. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/99 "2019-01-18T12:57:37Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > One of my relatives recently posted something on Facebook purportedly showing how hypocritical and anti-American Pelosi and other Democrats are. Maybe some of you have seen it. It really doesn’t show that at all. Linky? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/100 "2019-01-18T23:20:06Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Linky? [Here you go.](https://www.facebook.com/TrumpOurPotus/videos/267552747272207/?t=0) The damn thing is from the FB homepage for TrumPotus. The whole page is rife with misogyny, blatant lies, outright racism, etc., a veritable Pandora’s box. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=6)