# The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907 "2019-01-17T01:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/121 "2019-01-23T20:01:26Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Oh No! How am I going to get my usual seven hours of sleep tonight if I don’t have your internet blather to put me to sleep? You could ask the nice nurse to double your dose of Haldol. They won’t object. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/122 "2019-01-23T22:27:27Z")
> [@catflea12](#): > > You go, Nancy! I wouldn’t let that flaming asshole into any place I was in charge of either. I’m not convinced that canceling the SOTU speech is all that great an idea. I can see why she might do it. It hits him where it hurts (he loves attention), emphasizes the extraordinary nature of the shutdown, and avoids giving additional authority to what is undoubtedly be a spewing of falsehoods and partisan attacks. But no matter what she says he’s going to give a SOTU speech anyway, just not in the chambers, and its going to get plenty of publicity if for no other reason than the controversy surrounding it. And while giveing Trump a sick burn Trump is very satisfying to the base, to others I think it looks petty, and she opens herself up to additional attacks. “The SOTU is an American tradition. Why does Pelosi hate American Traditions?” “The SOTU address is required by the constitution\*, Pelosi is committing an unconstitutional act. Lock her up.” I think she is probably better off trying to maintain her position as the adult in the room, and not getting dragged down the Trumps level. Let him give his speech to Congress, and then Tear it a new one in the Rebuttal. But Pelosi has more political savvy in her little finger than I do in my entire body so I’m not going to second guess her too much. \*yes, I realize that the constitution doesn’t give a time table or require it be given in person, but there is just enough truthiness to the argument to convince those not paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/123 "2019-01-23T22:39:28Z")
Pelosi has told him he can’t do something, and is sticking to her guns. If more people, starting with his parents, had done this, he might not be the asshole he is today, and the world would be better off. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/124 "2019-01-23T22:58:18Z")
I think that it is wonderful that Trump is, for once, facing pushback. I have a new respect for Nancy Pelosi. Cheers, everyone; this is the beginning of 2 years of fighters telling that spoiled asshole “no”. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/125 "2019-01-24T02:48:35Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Being against a moronic wall is not the same as being “pro illegal immigration,” and you know it. Of course he and other conservatives know it; they just don’t want to engage in an honest debate. Being binary relieves them of that intellectual burden. What we’re seeing is that there will never be anything progressives or even centrists can do to please the MAGAbots because they believe it’s _their_ country. That’s what white christian nationalism is, an ideology that involves defining what America is, who rightfully owns it, and who rightfully sits at the apex of power – and who doesn’t. And I’ve got news for anyone who’s not part of Trumpland: in their eyes, you’re not a real America. There is nothing to negotiate with you. There is nothing to talk about. And they’re tear down the all of the institutions they hate (but that the rest of us actually use and benefit from) just to demonstrate that point. You cannot fucking compromise with these people, so let’s stop compromising. And Mitch McConnell has shown, we cannot govern with these people, so let’s stop trying that futile shit as well. All we have left is our raw power of the people. All we have left is the power to resist, and the power to make it known we’re not taking this shit. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/126 "2019-01-24T02:52:56Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Please, please, please, dont do this. I beg you and all liberals, to not hold her (or anyone else) up as a paragon. Ideas, not people, are what should be the foundation of any sustainable viewpoint. Let the Pubbies do the hero worship (Reagan. Trump) thing, and instead focus on ideas like fairness, wealth inequality, voter equality, and adherence to the ideas of checks and balances. My reply is simply The enemy of my enemy, is my friend. And we don’t need any Pubbies and “conservatives” and righties concern trolling us with any sanctimonious bullshit. The enemy of my enemy, is my friend. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/127 "2019-01-24T02:55:56Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing. Lying fucking troll. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/128 "2019-01-24T02:58:44Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You seem to have forgotten that there was a deal of 25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA that Trump said he would sign. He than refused to sign it after it passed both chambers of Congress because right-wing loudmouths complained. > He can’t be trusted to keep his side of a deal. _“I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck, because the people of this country don’t want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it…. I will take the mantle of shutting down.”_ - Trump And his word was NEVER worth a fuck anyway. This shutdown belongs to Trump and his boy McConnell. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/129 "2019-01-24T03:00:59Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > You all sound like a bunch of fucking Republicans; we must line up behind the leader and anyone who questions her is the enemy. Let’s check back in a week and see if public opinion starts to blame the Democrats for the shutdown and Trump’s approval starts to creep up. In the immortal words of The Hound, “Fuck the king”. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/130 "2019-01-24T03:02:29Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > How many times did you get dropped on your head as a child? … No where near often enough or hard enough. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/131 "2019-01-24T03:03:31Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > (post shortened) > > The State of the Union speech is not legislation. The majority of presidents did not even make a speech. He just wants more free air time to perform some more self love and tell more lies. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/132 "2019-01-24T03:10:49Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > The Atlantic has an excellent case for impeaching Trump that went up today. It also is a pretty solid indictment of Pelosi and the old guard. [Impeach Trump Now - The Atlantic](HTTPS://WWW.THEATLANTIC.COM/MAGAZINE/ARCHIVE/2019/03/IMPEACHMENT-TRUMP/580468/) They got that “motherfucker” from AOC in there too. Oh poor fucking snowflakes. I thought they were the tough guys, the “Fuck you and fuck your feelings” guys, the “Tell it like it is plain talk no more PC” guys. The (Trump) “grab 'em by the pussy” guys, the (Dick Cheney on the Senate floor “Go fuck yourself” guys, the “bodyslam reporters” guys, the (Trump) “beat the shit out of them” guys. Well fuck ALL of y’all. Pearl clutching pansy ass bitches. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/133 "2019-01-24T03:14:41Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You know what? You’ve long been an insufferable fool and I’ve long wondered why you haven’t been banned. Now you’re just trolling for the sheer joy of displaying your incredible stupidity. Until TPTB see fit to actually remove you from this site, I’m going to do what I am now suggesting others do: remove your inane posts from visibility. And good riddance. Really. Why is he still here? ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/134 "2019-01-24T04:32:07Z")
Quoting two tweets from Trump - [the first is here.](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1088288311922307072) > [@](#): > > As the Shutdown was going on, Nancy Pelosi asked me to give the State of the Union Address. I agreed. She then changed her mind because of the Shutdown, suggesting a later date. This is her prerogative - I will do the Address when the Shutdown is over. I am not looking for an… > …alternative venue for the SOTU Address because there is no venue that can compete with the history, tradition and importance of the House Chamber. I look forward to giving a “great” State of the Union Address in the near future! > 3:18 PM - 24 Jan 2019 My local time - 11:18 PM US Eastern. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/135 "2019-01-24T05:10:16Z")
[Ms. Pelosi’s response:](https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1088299063462772736) > [@](#): > > Mr. President, I hope by saying “near future” you mean you will support the House-passed package to #EndTheShutdown that the Senate will vote on tomorrow. Please accept this proposal so we can re-open government, repay our federal workers and then negotiate our differences. Lady’s not giving an _inch_. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/136 "2019-01-24T12:16:13Z")
This is domination. Trump is being dominated. By a woman. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/137 "2019-01-24T13:29:58Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > [Ms. Pelosi’s response:](https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1088299063462772736) > Lady’s not giving an _inch_. Why would she? It is the easiest political path forward for her. Not to say she shouldn’t get a round of applause. Most folks paying attention are behind her including the key factions that give her power. Also, it is pretty easy for Trump despite the media coverage (that most ignore anyway). The factions that put him in power are still behind him. There are many factions in American society. There is no earthly reason they should be joined under one leviathan state. There may be some things the states could agree on like an Articles or Confederation style constitution, so total dissolution may not be the only solution. The solution truly is decentralization of political power. People fight this because of their historical misunderstandings but reality has been smacking them in the face daily for over two years. If you haven’t learned his lesson yet you sit in one of four camps. I will explain the three camps and grade them on basic decency. Camp Society: You don’t pay much attention to politics, especially national politics. You may or may not vote but if you do it’s based on an ad, name recognition or partial debate viewing. You don’t have much of an opinion on decentralization beyond common sense acknowledgement that it is just. Grade: A Camp Crony: Your personal well-being is closely associated with the health of the national government and this clouds your ability to view decentralization as a positive good for society. Grade: C- Camp Plain Dumb: You are plain dumb. You pay attention to politics but for base animalistic reasons. You follow politics like professional wrestling and do not apply reason to your political analysis. Grade: D (for Dumb) Camp Totalitarian: You don’t believe people in other cultures, even in far-off geographical regions (I.e you live in upper Midwest and they live in South) should live in a way that you don’t approve of. Grade: F This is the dilemma. Those in Camp Totalitarian love to go into the media, public education establishment and “public policy”. They devote their lives to it. A simple public choice style observer would point out that this is a big reason why the government doesn’t allow political decentralization. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/138 "2019-01-24T16:06:22Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > But no matter what she says he’s going to give a SOTU speech anyway, just not in the chambers, and its going to get plenty of publicity if for no other reason than the controversy surrounding it. Well, looks like I was totally wrong in this prediction of my post. But at least I got this part right > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > But Pelosi has more political savvy in her little finger than I do in my entire body ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/139 "2019-01-24T16:11:57Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Let’s check back in a week and see if public opinion starts to blame the Democrats for the shutdown and Trump’s approval starts to creep up. [Still waiting…](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907/140 "2019-01-24T16:20:34Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > There are many factions in American society. There is no earthly reason they should be joined under one leviathan state. There may be some things the states could agree on like an Articles or Confederation style constitution, so total dissolution may not be the only solution. Great, so if you don’t like immigrants build your own damn wall around your own house, and leave us out of it. All hail Pelosi, defender of libertarianism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nancy-pelosi-appreciation-thread/827907.md?page=8)