# The Natsarim **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 20, 2012, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594 "2012-11-20T07:10:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bosstrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Bosstrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstrain)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/1 "2012-11-20T07:10:18Z")
Okay, so yeah, I felt the need to “witness”. I’m also wanting to know how much the Natsarim have grown and if there are any present on this forum. For those that don’t know what the Natsarim are, here is an _extremely_ shortened version of our beliefs: We don’t consider it a religion at all. If you put Christianity and Judaism together, remove the Christian holidays, remove the Talmud, add in the restored names and text in Scripture (most importantly the true name of the Creator/Messiah), remove the belief in the trinity and only follow what the Scriptures actually say, then you get the Natsarim belief. It isn’t that difficult to follow either, very easy. It’s mostly a list of things not to do and very little that you actually need to do. I’d say the only real complicated part is figuring out when the seven appointed times are, but you can use the Jewish calendar to find out, so even that isn’t difficult. However, it’s really hard to get a job as a Natsarim because you do need to rest on the Sabbath and on the annual appointed times. Of course, if it’s a matter of life and death and providing for one’s family…you gotta’ do whatcha’ gotta’ do. The Natsarim are seekers of truth, that is all we believe in…truth; nothing more nothing less. The word Natsarim means watchman and we follow the one that came from Natsarith (which means watchtower), He is the Messiah. I’m more than willing to teach those who are interested in truth, and there’s a lot more to the belief than this, trust me. So yeah, I’m killing two birds with one stone in this post so to speak: spreading the word about the Natsarim and seeing if any are on here. What’s up, SDMB?! Been a long time since I’ve posted here… ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/2 "2012-11-20T08:13:21Z")
I don’t believe in any religion that doesn’t have its own wikipedia entry. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/3 "2012-11-20T08:25:57Z")
I have always yearned for the day that the TRUE name of the Creator/Messiah (Slartibartfast/Beeblebrox) would finally be reinstated. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Bosstrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstrain)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/4 "2012-11-20T08:52:50Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > I don’t believe in any religion that doesn’t have its own wikipedia entry. I highly doubt that wikipedia has enough information to even determine what a Natsarim is. It’s a rapidly growing belief, but it’s been around for thousands of years. Only two thousand years ago did it acquire the term Natsarim. > [@Locrian](#): > > I have always yearned for the day that the TRUE name of the Creator/Messiah (Slartibartfast/Beeblebrox) would finally be reinstated. I do not take your sarcasm lightly, the Creator has a name…but I feel you are far from worthy of even reading it. I made this thread to be serious, if I was a lesser man I would be insulted by such responses. I will, however, look past this. ---
**Author:** ![Scholar\_Beardpig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@Scholar\_Beardpig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scholar_Beardpig)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/5 "2012-11-20T09:13:36Z")
Who first coined the name ‘Natsarim,’ and what was their general biography? I have sincerely never heard of this phenomenon. And can you tell me about some famous Natsarims? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/6 "2012-11-20T09:18:50Z")
> [@Bosstrain](#): > > The Natsarim are seekers of truth, that is all we believe in…truth; nothing more nothing less. The word Natsarim means watchman and we follow the one that came from Natsarith (which means watchtower), He is the Messiah. > . In what language? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/7 "2012-11-20T09:33:11Z")
Wait, first you said “If you put Christianity and Judaism together, remove the Christian holidays, remove the Talmud, add in the restored names and text in Scripture (most importantly the true name of the Creator/Messiah), remove the belief in the trinity and only follow what the Scriptures actually say, then you get the Natsarim belief.” And then later; > [@Bosstrain](#): > > It’s a rapidly growing belief, but it’s been around for thousands of years. Only two thousand years ago did it acquire the term Natsarim. Wait, if it’s a combination of Christianity and Judaism it can’t be a whole lot more than 2000 years old, right? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/8 "2012-11-20T09:41:37Z")
It seems like some flavor of Messianic Judaism that thinks of itself as the “true Jews” Also, “Notsrim” is Hebrew for “Christians.” ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/9 "2012-11-20T10:15:46Z")
> [@Scholar\_Beardpig](#): > > Who first coined the name ‘Natsarim,’ and what was their general biography? [This](http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/) appears to be the sect’s website, created by a Lew White. They apparently claim to be based on the [Nazarene sect](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarene_(sect)) of Jewish Christians and reject various Pauline and “pagan” (Greek) elements. Or at least that’s what I got looking around Google. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/10 "2012-11-20T10:37:24Z")
> [@Bosstrain](#): > > I do not take your sarcasm lightly, the Creator has a name…but I feel you are far from worthy of even reading it. > > I made this thread to be serious, if I was a lesser man I would be insulted by such responses. I will, however, look past this. Quite nice of you. But you can’t be serious whatsoever, as you claim. You say put Judaism together with Christianity, remove some things we don’t like, add the “truisms” (things us Natsarims believe to be true), seek real truth, etc… [Here’s a website dedicated to Natsarim](http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/NATSARIM.html) that is even less impressive than answersingenesis. Here’s a helpful quote about the Natsarim mission: “We were given the commission to teach all nations to obey all that we were commanded to obey. We occupy our post, protecting that we were commissioned to cherish. The thing we guard is not only discarded as rubbish by most, but it is the reason we are so despised.” Yep, very clear and simple. Another good quote on Natsarim: "We are a sect named for the original followers of Yahusha of Natsarith (see Act 24:5). Over the many centuries, we are those He has chosen, and written His Torah upon our hearts. (Yahusha is the real Name of Israel’s Mashiach, undefiled by Greek). We are guardians, since “Natsarim” literally translates as watchmen, guardians, protectors; it also means “branches”, as in off-spring or descendants. " – I should mention that this quote is from the “Truth About Us” section. There are over 23,000 sects of “established” religions around the world. Now we can make that over 23,001. Oh, wait, you also said you “don’t consider it a religion at all.” Of course not. I mean, it’s based on a bible where you demand that we follow what the scriptures “actually say.” You are aware that there’s thousands upon thousands of arguments on what the scriptures really say already, right? You also claim that, “It isn’t that difficult to follow either, very easy. It’s mostly a list of things not to do and very little that you actually need to do.” You say this AFTER you give us “an extremely shortened version of our beliefs…” If this doesn’t sound like any religion to anyone, welcome to our planet. Yahusha, Bashua. If Snuffleupagus was your “true Creator’s” name, I might take this discussion more seriously. 'Till then, nah. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/11 "2012-11-20T10:49:27Z")
I love it when someone shows up here, shouts, “This is not a religion,” and then spouts religious rhetoric. If it’s not a religion, then, pray (heh heh) tell, what, _exactly_ is it when it has all the hallmarks of, yes, you guessed it, a religion? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/12 "2012-11-20T11:02:02Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > [Here’s a website dedicated to Natsarim](http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/NATSARIM.html) that is even less impressive than answersingenesis. You must’ve taken that lame-o quiz on their site. By the way, OP, which part of your non-religion’s scripture says you get to decide who is and is not worthy to know the name of the Creator? Sounds a bit presumptive of you. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/13 "2012-11-20T11:43:32Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > I have always yearned for the day that the TRUE name of the Creator/Messiah (Slartibartfast/Beeblebrox) would finally be reinstated. The big Chief of The Natarism is obviously named The Natar. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/14 "2012-11-20T12:09:42Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > I don’t believe in any religion that doesn’t have its own wikipedia entry. Hell, even the Amish have a wiki page. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/15 "2012-11-20T12:22:26Z")
In the beginning was Stan, and then he hooked up with Mira… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/16 "2012-11-20T12:55:36Z")
> [@Bosstrain](#): > > It’s a rapidly growing belief, but it’s been around for thousands of years. Oooh, like Wicca? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/17 "2012-11-20T13:01:08Z")
From [this website](http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/messianicchristian.html) we get > [@](#): > > Messianics: the true Hebrew Name of the Creator is called upon: Yahuah (yod-hay-uau-hay). > The Messiah’s true Name is used: Yahusha. > The weekly Sabbath is observed as a day of rest, according to the Commandment. > The 7 annual festivals commanded for Israel to observe are observed, and there is no observance of a single “Christian” festival, which are all derived from Pagan festivals. . ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/18 "2012-11-20T13:02:01Z")
Do you hold all your services in Nadsat? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/19 "2012-11-20T13:02:48Z")
Yeah, that is pretty much how you would pronounce “Joshua” in Aramaic. This does sound like another “Jews for Jesus” group, despite the fact that Yeshua ben Yusef did not fulfill any of the predictions for Messiahhood, and it was many years after his ministry that anyone noticed he met any of the 14 Accepted Signs of Divinity. Not that any of that matters to an established belief system. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594/20 "2012-11-20T13:07:22Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Oooh, like Wicca? Pretty much, yeah. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-natsarim/641594.md?page=2)