# The Nazis Were Funded by wall street **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 5, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364 "2013-08-05T03:08:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/121 "2013-08-05T22:01:48Z")
“How about Jesus?” “Well, we don’t get much call for Jesus around here, sir.” “Not much call? He’s the single most popular deity in the world!” “Not around here, sir.” “What is he around here then?” “A very naughty boy.” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/122 "2013-08-05T22:19:35Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So if the Nazis were sponsored and bankrolled by a secret, wealthy, all-powerful internationalist cabal that has been controlling the world for centuries and picking the winners of every war in history, how come they _lost_? They didn’t! They won…and then re-wrote history to make it look like they lost to throw everyone off. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/123 "2013-08-05T22:20:02Z")
> [@MIDWESTcowboy8312](#): > > Wake up people That’s “sheeple.” If you’re going to play that game, at least get the phraseology correct. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/124 "2013-08-05T22:26:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The same people bankrolled both sides! Why they felt this was the best way to make money goes unexplained. Because that way you make money no matter who wins. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/125 "2013-08-05T22:27:38Z")
I need a scorecard. So the Jews are clannish and have a cabal to advance their interests, but they’re also so uncaring for other Jews that they’d sacrifice millions of other Jews to make a buck. Is there, like, a cheat sheet here? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/126 "2013-08-05T22:33:25Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Because that way you make money no matter who wins. I dealt with that in the sentences right after that one. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/127 "2013-08-05T22:34:39Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I need a scorecard. So the Jews are clannish and have a cabal to advance their interests, but they’re also so uncaring for other Jews that they’d sacrifice millions of other Jews to make a buck. > > Is there, like, a cheat sheet here? If we knew _that_, we’d have shut down your conspiracy generations ago, Illiminatus! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/128 "2013-08-05T22:43:31Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I need a scorecard. So the Jews are clannish and have a cabal to advance their interests, but they’re also so uncaring for other Jews that they’d sacrifice millions of other Jews to make a buck. Never happened: > [@Miller](#): > > I’m pretty sure if you follow the OP far enough down the rabbit hole, you’re going to end up at “The Holocaust was a Jewish fraud.” ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/129 "2013-08-05T23:08:55Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I need a scorecard. So the Jews are clannish and have a cabal to advance their interests, but they’re also so uncaring for other Jews that they’d sacrifice millions of other Jews to make a buck. > > Is there, like, a cheat sheet here? It’s even worse than you imagine. Arab elites, both Shi’ite and Sunni, are closely affiliated with the New World Order and of course the Islamist Messiah from Kenya was placed on the throne. Links between the Illuminati and Freemasons and Rosicrucians are well-documented. It’s no secret that the Freemasons are heavily infiltrated by Episcopalians; the Rosicrucians worship ancient Gods like Hermes Trismegistus and Osiris. Even the atheist Chinese have their One-Child policy taken directly from the New World Order Manifesto. I’m afraid we’re safe only with the Gods of Hindu (or perhaps those of the ancient Mayans). We definitely and desperately need a new Avatar of Vishnu, perhaps even [Sri Kalki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki) himself. _Hare Krishna_, anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/130 "2013-08-05T23:24:56Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > You laugh, but there was actually [a movie about it](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059263/).\* > > \*which involves fjords and blowing up water. Actually, I believe we were talking about the [TV version.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/131 "2013-08-05T23:45:23Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Because that way you make money no matter who wins. > [@Marley23](#): > > I dealt with that in the sentences right after that one. Yeah, but a fat government defense contract or war-loan or whatever is a bird in the hand. And if you deal with both sides, even the loser will make at least partial payment at certain times before the war ends, and the winner will pay in full. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/132 "2013-08-06T00:17:15Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > > [@MIDWESTcowboy8312](#): > > > > Wake up people > > That’s “sheeple.” [Don’t wake the sheeple!](http://xkcd.com/1013/) ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/133 "2013-08-06T00:56:23Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m jones’in for a cite from the OP. While I don’t swallow The Grand Conspiracy put forth by the OP, I would have thought it was common knowledge that American Big Business has very close ties with both, Hitler and his ascendance to power. As they say, “business is business.” You may or may not agree with the following article, but I think it is a well cited one noting some of the biggest US companies merrily going about their profitable businesses with the Third Reich. It is also well documented that Prescott Bush – despite the fact that I highly doubt he aligned himself with Fascist ideology – made quite a bit of money for the bank he happened to be managing at the time. Sure, the opposite argument gets a lot of support as well: No doubt I can find an article showing any number of American companies doing the same kind of thing for the Allies – Russia included. [**Smedley Butler**](http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm) had it right all along. As for the article I commented on, you’ll find it here: [**Profits über Alles! American Corporations and Hitler**](http://www.globalresearch.ca/profits-ber-alles-american-corporations-and-hitler/4607) Again, no conspiracies. Strictly business. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/134 "2013-08-06T01:53:43Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > While I don’t swallow The Grand Conspiracy put forth by the OP, I would have thought it was common knowledge that American Big Business has very close ties with both, Hitler and his ascendance to power. And it always has been common knowledge as far as I know. My mother used to tell me how back during they war people made jokes about how “our boys were being bombed with American steel.” People knew that american companies had cheerfully done business with the Nazis. And the Nazis had quite a bit of support in America, something people choose to forget. Both because racism and anti-semitism was rampant in America, and because they were anti-Communist, and for many people that was more important than literally anything else. The Communists were “godless”, and as such the Ultimate of Evils, far worse than Nazism could ever be; from a Christian standpoint it’s infinitely better to run a concentration camp while believing in God - any god - than it is to feed orphans as an atheist. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/135 "2013-08-06T01:59:06Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And the Nazis had quite a bit of support in America, something people choose to forget. Based on a quick survey of how large the Bund was, I think you’re overstating “quite a bit.” ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/136 "2013-08-06T03:22:48Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > from a Christian standpoint it’s infinitely better to run a concentration camp while believing in God - any god - than it is to feed orphans as an atheist. Who actually believes that? I don’t think you’re going to get many Christians who think that. ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/137 "2013-08-06T03:33:10Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > The Druids are behind it all… Yeah, go ahead… blame the Druids. We always get blamed for everything. Caesar’s assassination, the unpleasant episode with that nice Jewish carpenter in Judea, the fall of the Roman Empire, and now the renewal for another season of ‘Here Comes Honey Boo Boo’. But this one isn’t our fault! … By the way, I think we all scared this one off. I just wish one would stay around long enough to actually engage her in a real conversation. Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/138 "2013-08-06T03:39:44Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > That’s “sheeple.” If you’re going to play that game, at least get the phraseology correct. What if they’re Jewish? Do you call them schmeeple? ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/139 "2013-08-06T05:32:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Based on a quick survey of how large the Bund was, I think you’re overstating “quite a bit.” I’ll go further and call it a gross misrepresentation. Nazism scarcely had any support in the US. > [@Miller](#): > > I’m pretty sure if you follow the OP far enough down the rabbit hole, you’re going to end up at “The Holocaust was a Jewish fraud.” It’s already gone there, check the link in this post of Marley’s: > [@Marley23](#): > > [The person you’re quoting.](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eustace_Mullins) He sounds like a bag of shit. From the link: > [@](#): > > Eustace Mullins (March 9, 1923 – February 2, 2010) was an author from Virginia often cited as source material by authors of anti-New World Order books, such as Pat Robertson. Mullins is also cited by “researchers” in the field as a prolific writer of anti-Semitic literature. Authors like Robertson[1], Gary Kah[2], Bo Gritz[3], Texe Marrs, and Glenn Beck[4] have cited Mullins as a source without also mentioning that Mullins has written tracts with titles like “Adolf Hitler: An Appreciation” and “Jewish Television: Sick Sick Sick”, making citing Mullins, to put it mildly, rather suspect. He was, until his death in February 2010, a contributing editor to the Barnes Review, a Holocaust denial magazine. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364/140 "2013-08-06T06:29:56Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Who actually believes that? I don’t think you’re going to get many Christians who think that. Most won’t admit it now of course, since Nazism has become such a byword for evil. But before that happened yes, support for Nazism was widespread among Christians because Communists were officially atheists, and to Christians there’s nothing worse than atheism. It’s better to murder in the name of religion than it is to save lives and be an atheist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nazis-were-funded-by-wall-street/665364.md?page=8)