# The NCAA needs to lighten up on tOSU. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 8, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109 "2011-05-08T00:58:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/221 "2011-07-09T12:17:40Z")
> [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](#): > > UM alum? 😃 If you would read back through the thread you would conclude that that is obviously not the case. You don’t have to be a UM slappy to have a distaste OSU. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/222 "2011-07-09T16:00:58Z")
Well I am a Wolverine, and those self imposed penalties are a huge joke. Surrendering games where the check is already cashed and two years of probation? I think they missed the whole point of self policing to show change. Michigan was guilty of failure to oversee workouts and at least had the brains to self-impose workout and staff reductions along with the worthless probation(which the NCAA upped by a year). I think OSU still just doesn’t understand the world is bigger than the ass kissers in the local Appleby’s. I am prepared for some serious Fruede after the NCAA delivers the Schaden next month. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/223 "2011-07-09T18:22:53Z")
So, O.S.U. figures it gets to decide what penalties it should receive, and the athletic director has declared he’d be “shocked and disappointed” (and appeal) if the NCAA handed down any additional sanctions. This comes off as incredible arrogance, which one can only hope the NCAA will administer a smackdown to next month. > [@Drain Bead](#): > > How is athletes selling their stuff “cheating”? It conferred no on-the-field advantage. It was against the rules, but it wasn’t cheating. Yeah, and if athletes at Northwestern, Indiana or any less successful non-conference schools O.S.U plays to fatten up on wins decide to sell their memorabilia, they have an equivalent chance of making money. Why, I bet there are lots of people clamoring to own rings and used sweats sold by players from the University of Akron, for instance. I can’t _begin_ to imagine what competitive advantage the top schools would gain if players were allowed to sell memorabilia. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/224 "2011-07-10T20:32:40Z")
Fry Oho State. They have had a cheating coach for a long time. Tressel is as low as they come. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/225 "2011-07-11T00:21:21Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Fry Ohio State. They have had a cheating coach for a long time. Tressel is as low as they come. Which do you hate more, cheats or hypocrites? There are a lot of cheating coaches out there (the NCAA is all about cheating) but the level of hypocrisy that Tressel demonstrated is particularly disgusting. He’s Jimmy Swaggart in a sweater vest (which is also disgusting). ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/226 "2011-07-11T00:25:42Z")
Tressel was both. He ran a dirty house. He did not keep tabs at all. There is cheating, there is bending the rules and then there is a dirty program that will do anything to win. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/227 "2011-07-11T01:36:01Z")
Michigan fans are precious. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/228 "2011-07-11T04:07:32Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Michigan fans are precious. So please identify the Michigan fans. Or, admit you haven’t read through the tread. And yes, Michigan fans are in a total state of denial, which isn’t a river in Africa. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/229 "2011-07-12T15:19:43Z")
and the beats goes on: [ESPN is suing tOSU](http://www.seattlepi.com/sports/article/ESPN-files-public-records-suit-against-Ohio-St-1461649.php). > [@](#): > > ESPN has sued Ohio State University, alleging the school violated state public records law by denying requests for items related to an NCAA investigation that has led to the loss of football coach Jim Tressel and star quarterback Terrelle Pryor. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/230 "2011-07-14T19:36:12Z")
Ga Tech, (my alma mater) just got dinged pretty hard by the NCAA, apparently for one un-named student receiving $312 in impermissible gifts. They had to forfeit their 2009 ACC title and 4 yrs probation. > [@](#): > > In addition, and some were self-imposed and accepted by the NCAA: > > Public reprimand and censure. > Four years of probation from July 14, 2011 through July 13, 2015. The public report further details the conditions of this probation. > A reduction of two men’s basketball recruiting days during the 2011 summer evaluation period (self-imposed by the university). > A limit of 10 official visits for men’s basketball for the 2011-12 and 2012-13 academic years. > A vacation of all contests won by the football team during the 2009 season after November 24. GT got hit hard because the incidents happened a short time after already dinged by incidents in the 1990s. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/231 "2011-07-14T20:21:19Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Which do you hate more, cheats or hypocrites? There are a lot of cheating coaches out there (the NCAA is all about cheating) but the level of hypocrisy that Tressel demonstrated is particularly disgusting. He’s Jimmy Swaggart in a sweater vest (which is also disgusting). Which one is Tressel? He cheated before Ohio state and cheated there too. Where’s the surprise? You would think he would be better at covering his bases the second time around. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/232 "2011-07-15T13:41:37Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Ga Tech, (my alma mater) just got dinged pretty hard by the NCAA, apparently for one un-named student receiving $312 in impermissible gifts. They had to forfeit their 2009 ACC title and 4 yrs probation. I heard on the radio that GT had violoations relating to both football and basketball. How about the Ohio High School Football Coaches Association “honoring” Tressel by asking coaches to wear a tie and sweater vest during week 1 games? I get the feeling that OSU fans do not realize that Tressel is the entire reason their program is getting blasted. The players messed up, yes, but Tressel could have put a stop to it all right away. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/233 "2011-07-15T17:25:22Z")
Since this appears to be an omnibus cheating thread, it appears Auburn is not out of the woods yet. > **[Report: NCAA continues investigation of Auburn](https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/6767680/auburn-tiger-football-ncaa-investigation-report-says)** > > An NCAA official told Auburn coach Gene Chizik that it is not done investigating the Tigers' football program and the recruitment of Cam Newton, The New York Times reported Wednesday. > [@](#): > > Chizik asked NCAA vice president for enforcement Julie Roe Lach several questions, including why the NCAA had not announced that the Newton investigation was finished, during a presentation at the Southeastern Conference meetings in Destin, Fla., last month. > > “You’ll know when we’re finished,” Roe Lach told Chizik, according to several coaches who were at the meeting, the Times reported. “And we’re not finished.” Like Reggie Bush showed, the NCAA does take their time. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/234 "2011-07-15T20:56:05Z")
[Yet more revelations about O.S.U. and Jim Tressel’s compliance problems](http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/07/15/tressel-ncaa-evaluation.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a8) that first surfaced years ago: \*"“In the course of the (2003) investigation, there were questions surrounding, among others, (redacted name’s) automobiles and cell phone use,” Geiger wrote to Tressel. “I am writing to make it clear that the University expects you and your staff to pay attention to automobiles driven by the football student-athletes and report to the Athletic Compliance Office any unusual circumstances with respect to such automobiles.” In the last year, the NCAA and Ohio State delved into the cars owned by and loaned to star quarterback Terrelle Pryor. Ohio’s Bureau of Motor Vehicles looked into 25 sales involving Buckeyes players and determined that the dealers received fair-market value for the cars. The bureau did not address whether the deals met NCAA standards prohibiting benefits not available to the general student population."\* The story also notes Tressel got an internal reprimand for an NCAA rules violation before he’d even coached his first game (giving a recruit an O.S.U. jersey). Looks like NCAA rules compliance was not a top priority for either Tressel or the university. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/235 "2011-07-16T01:39:04Z")
[Ohio State's Jim Tressel did 'unacceptable' job in reporting violations - ESPN](http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6772029/ohio-state-jim-tressel-did-unacceptable-job-reporting-violations) ESPN has this article explaining how rules did not apply to OSU. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/236 "2011-07-16T16:23:57Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [Ohio State's Jim Tressel did 'unacceptable' job in reporting violations - ESPN](http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6772029/ohio-state-jim-tressel-did-unacceptable-job-reporting-violations) ESPN has this article explaining how rules did not apply to OSU. Interestingly, the prior athletic director (Geiger) did written evaluations on Tressel and sent him warning notices, but when Smith became the A.D., the university says he only evaluated Tressel orally (so of course no records exist). Other coaches including the basketball coach have written evaluations, but apparently football is so sanctified at O.S.U. as to be exempt from this requirement. Maybe big-time universities should all move to this nothing-in-writing setup, as well as prohibiting coaches from having e-mail accounts that can be accessed by compliance officers and released to the media. You leave a paper trail, you can get into big trouble. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/237 "2011-07-22T23:48:12Z")
Whew, what a relief. It wasn’t looking good for awhile. Thank Dog that the NCAA has put the blinders back on, let Tressel take the fall and restored a sense of orderly corruption in the NCAA. [http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/\_/id/6794305/ncaa-agrees-ohio-state-buckeyes-football-findings?campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines](http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6794305/ncaa-agrees-ohio-state-buckeyes-football-findings?campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines) I was almost beginning to believe that the NCAA had a spine. Akron and Cleveland State are going to pay for this, dearly. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/238 "2011-07-23T02:50:46Z")
BTW, I if was the University of Southern California I would be screaming like a banshee. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109/239 "2011-08-18T06:28:28Z")
And the hits just keep on coming: [http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/\_/id/6870550/ohio-state-buckeyes-terrelle-pryor-never-mentioned-new-ncaa-violations](http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6870550/ohio-state-buckeyes-terrelle-pryor-never-mentioned-new-ncaa-violations) Terrell, you were just too beautiful. You gave and gave and gave until there was nothing left to get. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ncaa-needs-to-lighten-up-on-tosu/581109.md?page=11)