Auburn as a progrm, assuming they played by the rules, should not be punished. Newton should have been suspended for the rest of the season when his dad’s actions were brought to light. But that wouldn’t have been an interesting championship game then, would it.
I don’t like the idea of retaining eligibility even if drafted for 2 reasons.
You’ll see way, way more juniors declare early because they have nothing to lose.
Teams will be hesitant to draft juniors because if they don’t like their pick or their offered salary, they can just go back to college and enter the draft next year.
Players of college age certainly aren’t forced to play in college. I believe they can try out for the CFL or (I think) the UFL.
Now, it has been discovered that Terrelle Pryor has a suspended Driver’s License.
How many people think Terrelle Pryor will be wearing Scarlett and Gray this season?
apparently, the NFL has the option to have a supplemental draft next month. But no one is eligible.
And FTR, the heat is being turned up on the college programs OVER-Signing HS recruits above the maximum scholarship level and then later making cuts. I think this is primarily an SEC practice, but it could reverberate through all conferences. NCAA should be cracking down on this practice.
A school should not have more than 90 scholarships at any point in time. if a school has 25 players losing eligibility, it should only be able to sign 25 players. Not 30 players and then later cut 5 “under achievers”.
$5 will get you $10 that most, if not all, of those “transactions” are actually “gifts”.
The Ohio State program is in big trouble. To be honest with you, it looks like the only thing Ohio State has going for it right now is that SMU got the Death Penalty in 1987, because had that not happened they’d be pretty good candidates for it right now.
Eh, I think paperbackwriter had it right in post 112. SMU had been caught once and told, in no uncertain terms, to behave or else. They decided to take a chance on “or else.”
I think what USC got will be the max that OSU faces, which is still a significant punishment. They could be hamstrung for the next 5 years.
But the big thing that the OSU program has going against it is that the mood has changed, people are looking for blood, and there is a lot more pressure on the NCAA to show it has some teeth. There are a lot of people that are so sick of the whole charade that they would love, and are demanding, that the NCAA actually enforce their rules the way they are written. That’s bad news for OSU.
The fact that it took so long for the NCAA to address the USC/Reggie Bush situation when it was a “slam dunk” really hurt their credibility. They may be ready to overreact against OSU. (notice I’ve dropped the “t”). The last bowl season was tainted by corruption that it has powerful people looking closely at the NCAA. The NCAA is under fire and deservedly so.
The blind eye that the NCAA turned on the U of Michigan basketball program during the Fraud Five era was probably the low point of NCAA enforcement. That program should have been nuked for all eternity. It was probably the most corrupt situation in the history of college sports. (Yes, games were thrown and points were shaved.) The program was being run by a big time gambling operation out of Detroit yet the NCAA wanted to sweep it all away. UofM’s method of dealing with it was to not cooperate and that sent a message to other schools to ignore NCAA rules. Play dumb and play on.
A lot of people that otherwise love college sports would love to see a bloodbath. It would do a lot to level the playing field. Then, the other 90% of all those kids out there that are getting the benefits of athletic scholarships might actually have a chance to prove themselves without the game being stacked against them from day one.
I feel pretty confident in predicting they won’t get it (a bloodbath, that is). Oh, they’ll make an example of OSU, that’s for sure. As Andy Staples put it, Ohio State is trying to make this a Jim Tressel problem, not a university problem. As you point out, that’s straight out of the UM scandal playbook. It won’t work. Connecticut tried it with Calhoun and it failed, and it will fail for the same reason here: the coach’s problems are the university’s problems and the university administration should have stepped in earlier. That’s even more obvious now with the span of time involved here.
I don’t think that the “we’re scared of using the Death Penalty ever again” feeling nor the desire for blood is going to be a controlling factor in this. The controlling factor is that NCAA is an organization that loves bureaucracy and process. The bureaucratic process is already in place here. That process basically requires you to be a two-time loser(*) to suffer the DP.
Even though Maurice Clarett was sanctioned and there are players already suspended for next year, those are all individual penalties. There haven’t been any institutional penalties in the football program in the recent past. The basketball program got dinged 5 years ago, but I doubt that will count against Ohio State the same way.
So while the University may be a repeat offender, and while Tressell lied for a long time, there are definite differences from the situations where the NCAA has imposed the Death Penalty in the past. Without that precedent, the NCAA will feel bound by its own rules to stop at measures like giving Tressell a show cause penalty. and dock the university a bunch of scholarships and vacate some seasons.
Yeah, he got screwed over royally by the Fallen Senator, but this:
[QUOTE=Ryan Hockensmith]
Maldonado couldn’t understand how he had earned only 17 transferable credits in two years
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…Makes it sound like he needed those remedial courses a bit more. He didn’t understand how getting D’s and sitting on the couch watching Jerry Springer meant he’d have only 17 transferable credits? The playing time that he got shafted on was out of his control, but the grades he earned were. I notice that once Ralph did give him his second chance, he still got suspended for breaking team rules.
Here’s the thing: Yes, the football factories like the Big Ten and Big 12 and SEC schools use their kids as fodder, yes they are exploited for their athletic ability to bring money and donors to the universities, yes it’s a big business founded on the labor of teenagers. That may all be true.
No-one, however, should say that the players and their families are not willing participants and even co-conspirators. They know what the system is, and they sign up for the ride. Everyone believes their son will be the one that provides the family with their golden ticket. Colleges and universities positively bend over backwards for them to get them their degrees, so if they don’t qualify, they can only blame themselves.
And that brings up that neither should anyone say they are uncompensated for their labor on behalf of their universities. They don’t pay a dime of their tuition or board. They fly all over the country in charter jets. They stay in 4-star hotels. They work in palaces like these. They get extra academic support. They are treated like board members at a Fortune 500 corporation. That’s all the perfectly above-board stuff. It hardly seems like “no compensation” to me.
So they work for their education. So what? I worked for mine, too. I worked not just summers and an on-campus work-study job but I also worked off-campus to pay for school. My parents got their degrees (including an MBA) entirely as part-time students. There are no voices raised to mourn the plight of the unpaid non-football/basketball-playing students that do that kind of work for their educations.
he blind eye that the NCAA turned on the U of Michigan basketball program during the Fraud Five era was probably the low point of NCAA enforcement. That program should have been nuked for all eternity. It was probably the most corrupt situation in the history of college sports. (Yes, games were thrown and points were shaved.) The program was being run by a big time gambling operation out of Detroit yet the NCAA wanted to sweep it all away. UofM’s method of dealing with it was to not cooperate and that sent a message to other schools to ignore NCAA rules. Play dumb and play n.
Where has it ever been alleged that games were thrown and points were shaved concerning the Fab Five? That’s what drives me insane. The low quality of standard of proof concerning Sports in general. Anyone can call up Paul Finebaum and say anything… (Caller… I was at a party… and i saw Terrell Pryor and Cam Newton do a volcano size of blow and then go rob a daycare)
The Fab Five was hit for C Webb and Jalen pretty much taking money from Ed Martin since the beginning of their high school careers… and C Webb got hit for lying to the feds about it.
Yeah… I would say that the Quarterback position is pretty wide open in Columbus right now…
PBack writer.. essentially who cares what you or any other college student had to do for your education. You sound like a lotta guys i know whining in some sports bar because they played DIII ball and got no perks. When 60,000 people show up to see you take a Chem II final then you give me a call. Since Andrew Luck is essentially financing a whole lot of shit at Stanford he’s not the average undergrad. If Luck were to discover some intellectual property that CISCO wanted .. ironically he could negotiate that sale and still be in school. But when it comes to the fact that he’s the best qb in the business (College) he better not get so much as free wings at Jimbo’s on Main street. Absurd…
Yep. You pegged me, all right. Bitter that I never made the Major History League, never got to make that last-second dissertation on the rise of blockades as an economic weapon of war in the Finals, I dump on college athletes because I have nothing better to do here in my parent’s basement. Yep, that’s me.
Only in the psychotic world of sports fandom does the number of spectators determine worth. I suppose that makes Jonas Salk’s polio vaccine worthless because only 5 or 10 people witnessed his work on it, and they were all working with him.
In truth, Luck is a perfect example of working for an education. He receives goods and services worth more than $55,000 a year for his work on behalf of Stanford. That is, by the way, over $5,000.00 more than the median U.S. household income. You may want to argue that he’s not paid “market value”, but he is. He was able to offer his services to every college and university in the land, a certain number were interested, and he signed a contract with one of them. He picked the one that offered him the most return for his work.
He is paid for that work, and he accepted the strings and restrictions and work conditions that came with that contract. If he doesn’t like those restrictions, he can chose not to work under them. He must find them not overly-onerous compared to the alternatives, because he actually chose to continue working under those conditions when he had the alternative to seek other employment.
If he wants wings at Jimbo’s, he can obtain them in the same way as any other person. What’s so absurd about that?
In the two years that the Fraud Five were together they didn’t win a B10 title or a National Championship. There was one game in particular that stood out. It was the their last conference game of the year against Northwestern which was one of the weaker teams in the league. Win that game and they win the B10 championship. There was no tournament at that time. UM managed to lose that game and it looked suspicious at the time and looks more suspicious now. There were other games that had a fishy smell (ironically the coach was Steve Fisher).
The UM administration stonewalled and the NCAA conducted a very weak investigation. There is a lot of suspicion that they could have turned up a lot more than they did If they had had to guts to really go after it. Instead, they wanted it to go away.
This is a ridiculous basis for an allegation of fixing or point shaving. This is also the first time I’ve heard any of this relating to Michigan and I don’t think it makes sense in context of what we know did happen.
Andrew Luck, like all high school football players, was offered essentially the same package of compensation by every bidder for his services. The scholarship he receives is not a free market value. The wages these kids play for is artificially set by the cartel called the NCAA. Some less heralded kids likely benefit under this system, but there’s no way anyone can really claim that the best college players play for a package that is anything close to what their value would be in a free market.
Except that, as Marley23 alludes to, there there *were different packages that he chose from. Luck selected Stanford’s $55,000 a year package, “…over offers from Northwestern, Oklahoma State, Purdue, Rice, and Virginia…” So he thought Stanford’s package was worth more than Northwestern’s at least $53,000 one, or Oklahoma State’s $16,788 a year one, etc.
He had options and those options had different values. No-one coerced him to select Stanford out of those options. That is a free market. Note that "free market’ does not mean “Market with no restrictions or collusion.” The US has a free market, despite all the restrictions and regulations economic actors face in daily life there.
Also, the fact is that Luck had the opportunity to escape the cartel’s clutches. Instead, he voluntarily decided he would actually maximize his total returns by remaining bound to that cartel.
*Probably quite higher, actually. NU’s website seems intentionally designed to make it difficult to figure out how much an education there actually costs. No doubt the Bursar’s office likes it that way.
