# The Nephilim, The Pyramid of the Apocalypse, and Patrick C. Heron **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 3, 2005, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nephilim-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse-and-patrick-c-heron/288275 "2005-02-03T23:36:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2005, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nephilim-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse-and-patrick-c-heron/288275/21 "2005-02-07T13:59:03Z")
Sorry , tomndebb, I guess that (comparisons to Icke) counts as personal insult 😉 Seriously, though, all “Third World” people are real humans, but all others are nephilim? And here I thought the Nephilim were just a good Goth band… ---
**Author:** ![grimpixie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@grimpixie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimpixie)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2005, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nephilim-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse-and-patrick-c-heron/288275/22 "2005-02-07T14:23:02Z")
> [@MM12](#): > > I don’t know about this Author Heron, but I do know about the Nephilim. They are the “Ancient Astronauts” that came to Earth about 440,000 years ago. They are Immortal Souls, as everyone is, and they compose about 10% of the world’s population today. The other 90% reside mostly in the “Third World Nations,” called such by a Nephilim since Earth is the third world from the Sun. The 90% evolved here on Earth then were allowed to live in the human bodies that were created approximately 267,000 years ago for the purpose of slave labor in the gold mines; which is found in South Africa today; which are known to be at least 100,000 years old. Point and laugh indeed - colour me :eek: ---
**Author:** ![grimpixie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@grimpixie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimpixie)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2005, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nephilim-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse-and-patrick-c-heron/288275/23 "2005-02-07T14:25:49Z")
P.S. I’m a white South African, european ancestry, but born and raised in the Third World. Which box do I tick? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2005, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nephilim-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse-and-patrick-c-heron/288275/24 "2005-02-07T15:01:25Z")
OK, now I have a few minutes. I’m sorry, **MM12** , I’m willing to let your theology slide, but your archaeology, paleontology, history, and even etymology are simply silly. We have no archaeological evidence of anything resembling human-built structures between the periods 440,000 ya and the cave dwellings and campsites of _Homo habilis_ and _Homo erectus_ and early _Homo sapiens_. (I know, they were hidden.) While I am sure that it gives some people warm fuzzy feelings to believe that alien races inhabited the Earth in the unimaginably remote past, the idea that they arrived from off-planet when we have clear evidence of humans evolving from earlier primates and no “advanced” forms suddenly appearing in the record (particularly four times earlier than we emerged), makes this scenario unlikely in the extreme. (I know, they manufactured the evidence to hide what “really” happened.) (And your “third world” explanation is flat out false. We know when the phrase was coined (the 1950s–it never appears earlier), we know what the phrase means (1st world = Western Democracies, 2d world = Soviet bloc (later including Chinese sphere), 3d world = non-aligned nations), and we know when and how the meaning changed as the non-aligned nations tended to be recognized as poor (since they were not industrialized). There is no 440,000 year old tradition of referring to Earth’s inhabitants _in toto_ as “third world.”) (And you cannot even claim that “they” manufactured the evidence unless you are going to claim that they altered the minds of every human currently over the age of 50 or so to “forget” the earlier meaning while erasing all mention of it in all the published works of the world, only to allow it to suddenly appear (with an altered meaning, and for no particularly good reason) just 50 years ago.) We do not need hypothetical aircraft to understand how the pyramids were built: we already understand the technology that was used (relying on massive amounts of human labor between the harvest and the next planting season) and can actually see the development of pyramid design from their earliest “man-made hills” to the more sophisticated efforts at Giza. And since this thread already deals with extraordinary claims, may I ask just how you came into possession of the “information” you have shared? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2005, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nephilim-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse-and-patrick-c-heron/288275/25 "2005-02-07T17:23:58Z")
I so hope MM12 is whooshing us. And I am sure he’s not David Icke- no mention of lizards! ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2005, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nephilim-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse-and-patrick-c-heron/288275/26 "2005-02-07T17:40:50Z")
It sounded like a whoosh to me guys. If it wasn’t, it should have been…I haven’t laughed this much in a long time! 😉 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nephilim-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse-and-patrick-c-heron/288275/27 "2005-02-07T20:40:11Z")
Chalk him up as another who attempts to sound learned by using the word “whence”, but uses it incorrectly in the phrase “from whence”. > [@](#): > > But all these writers have one thing in common. They have failed to inform us as to who these people were and from whence they derived their knowledge and skills. I think a legitimate scholar or other author would have had that corrected. ---
**Author:** ![bonzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@bonzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bonzer)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nephilim-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse-and-patrick-c-heron/288275/28 "2005-02-08T22:22:53Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > While I clearly think this guy is a kook or charlatan, this particular matter might be due to sloppy language rather than an intent to defraud. > If I _ascend_ the 12 steps from my basement to the main floor, each step having a riser of 7 inches, I travel a distance of 12 1/4 feet, but I only go up vertically (_rise_) a distance of 7 feet. Going by the standard, age-old, pyramidiot claims, what he’s actually trying to say is that the slope of the corners is in the ratio 9:10. In other words, if the diagonal from a corner of the base to the centre is 10 units, the height from the centre to the top is 9. Of course, that’s not quite what he does manage to say. > [@](#): > > Neither 46 meters nor 151 feet multiplied by “10 raised to the power of 9” gives an answer of 91,840,000. The height of the Great Pyramid is actually about 146 metres, in which case the arithmetic does sort of work, irrespective of any worries about conversions. What’s invariably striking about people repeating such claims is that they often never really understand the old arguments (in these cases, dating back to the 1860s) they are parroting and Heron seems to be just such an example. The 9:10 ratio was even first pointed out - by Sir Henry James, the then Director of the Ordnance Survey - in an attempt to discredit John Taylor and, more immediately, Charles Piazzi Smyth’s derivation of pi from the pyramid. A derivation duly trotted out again by Heron. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nephilim-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse-and-patrick-c-heron/288275/29 "2005-02-08T22:44:12Z")
let me get this right, the Vatican and the Jews are trying to keep Jesus down? ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nephilim-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse-and-patrick-c-heron/288275/30 "2005-02-08T23:41:09Z")
MM12, you don’t happen to be a supporter of Jelaila Starr, by any chance? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nephilim-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse-and-patrick-c-heron/288275.md?page=1)