# The new "Dune" adaptation **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [April 14, 2020, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788 "2020-04-14T18:15:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/101 "2020-09-10T08:17:55Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I don’t think you understand evolution. It’s not qualitative - one organism can’t be “more evolved” than another. That’s not how it works. I’m well aware. That’s irrelevant to the use of “dinosaur” and “evolved” in metaphorical terms. They’ve taken on a meaning completely outside the reality of science. The _metaphorical_ dinosaur is still wading in a swamp in the Zallinger mural, _metaphorical_ evolution is still a line of increasingly more upright men. “Dinosaur rock” lives in a musical version of that Peabody Museum swamp. > [@](#): > > Pedantry aside, you seem to be claiming that one form of art is inherently better than another. No, I’m not. Any more than I think, say, hippos are _better_ than velociraptors. I’m not talking about aesthetics, I’m talking about actual survival of genres. Dinosaur rock was big in the early seventies, then it got replaced. By disco, by punk, by heavy metal. The better metaphor is actually the asteroid hitting, but “extinction event non-survivor rock” doesn’t scan. > [@](#): > > That’s a very bold claim, and one that can easily be turned against you. I suggest you stick with “everyone’s entitled to their opinions.” It usually works out better for everyone. I’m not talking about opinions. I’m talking about actual market hold - something Pink Floyd just doesn’t have anymore. Yes, yes, DSotM is one of the best-selling albums of all time. That counts for little to the hordes of younger Timothée Chalamet fans who would no doubt think “Pink Floyd” is a solo artist. But “Eclipse” does have cool lyrics that fit the trailer aesthetic. And Zimmer is a critical darling and this version is very Zimmer-fied. And those are the considerations a movie producer no doubt weighs, not whether it will yank a few rock fans on a message board out of their immersion. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/102 "2020-09-10T08:24:46Z")
Pink Floyd was supposed to compose the score for the original film adaptation of Dune, by Alejandro Jodorowsky, that never got made, so to me it seems totally appropriate to use their music for this one. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/103 "2020-09-10T09:13:21Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, I’m not. Any more than I think, say, hippos are _better_ than velociraptors. I’m not talking about aesthetics, I’m talking about actual survival of genres. Dinosaur rock was big in the early seventies, then it got replaced. By disco, by punk, by heavy metal. The better metaphor is actually the asteroid hitting, but “extinction event non-survivor rock” doesn’t scan. But disco, punk and heavy metal also died. Does that make them dinosaurs, too? Every genre of music has its day in the sun end, just like whatever is popular now will also die, eventually. Saying that something got replaced is irrelevant; everything gets replaced. > [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m not talking about opinions. I’m talking about actual market hold - something Pink Floyd just doesn’t have anymore. Yes, yes, DSotM is one of the best-selling albums of all time. That counts for little to the hordes of younger Timothée Chalamet fans who would no doubt think “Pink Floyd” is a solo artist. But “Eclipse” does have cool lyrics that fit the trailer aesthetic. And Zimmer is a critical darling and this version is very Zimmer-fied. And those are the considerations a movie producer no doubt weighs, not whether it will yank a few rock fans on a message board out of their immersion. Again, I’m not a Pink Floyd fan. I also have no problem with trailers using existing music tracks, of any genre. Unless the film is a sequel with an already famous soundtrack, trailers are always going to use music from somewhere else, and better a Pink Floyd cover than than that damn _Inception_ music again. No, I just don’t like you talking trash about music I like. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/104 "2020-09-10T09:51:26Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > But disco, punk and heavy metal also died. Does that make them dinosaurs, too? Yeah, kinda. I use “dinosaur rock” because it covers a group of rock genres (prog-, hard-, Southern blues-, album-) that all died out at the same time. Just “rock” doesn’t work because punk and metal were later and others were earlier. > [@](#): > > Every genre of music has its day in the sun end, just like whatever is popular now will also die, eventually. Saying that something got replaced is irrelevant; everything gets replaced. It’s not irrelevant to note that _this particular genre_ is outdated, _when_ making the point that most people won’t be drawn out of the trailer by its presence. > [@](#): > > Again, I’m not a Pink Floyd fan.[…] > > No, I just don’t like you talking trash about music I like. That’s all. “dinosaur rock” isn’t trash talk. It’s a term even [people who like the genre](http://www.dinosaurrockguitar.com/node/465) use for themselves. It’s just an evocative catch-all term for a particular group of rock subgenres that all met their end in popularity at the same time. If I _want_ to trash-talk it, I’d call it “fretwanking” ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/105 "2020-09-10T11:16:54Z")
Getting back to the trailer… It’s too soon to say, but the visuals look pretty good, and it looks pretty faithful to the book as well. It’s encouraging that they’re splitting this into two movies, as well. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/106 "2020-09-10T11:41:00Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > It’s encouraging that they’re splitting this into two movies, as well. … and if they do well, there will be two movies of _Dune Messiah_… then two of _Children of Dune_… two of _God Emperor of Dune_… two of _Heretics of Dune_… two of _Chapterhouse: Dune_… and of course, the _Dune Prequel TV Miniseries_… the animated _Dune_… the _Dune Holiday Special_… 😄   ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/107 "2020-09-10T11:44:13Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > … and if they do well, there will be two movies of _Dune Messiah_ … then two of _Children of Dune_ … two of _God Emperor of Dune_ … two of _Heretics of Dune_ … two of _Chapterhouse: Dune_ … and of course, all the _Dune Prequels_ … the animated _Dune_ … the _Dune Holiday Special_ … And, of course, _Dune On Ice._ ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/108 "2020-09-10T11:53:40Z")
Hee! Well, there _are_ a lot of stories to be told in that universe… 🤣 Still, _Dune_ by itself is a massive book, and condensing it down to 2-3 hours is kind of a stretch. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/109 "2020-09-10T12:03:08Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > Still, _Dune_ by itself is a massive book, and condensing it down to 2-3 hours is kind of a stretch. That’s my main problem with the Lynch version - it dedicates the first hour of the movie to the first 100 pages of the book, and tries to cram the remaining 500 pages into the second hour. The Sci-Fi Channel miniseries was a much better adaptation. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/110 "2020-09-10T12:10:41Z")
Specifically Jodorowsky wanted them to do the House Atreides themes. So it fits the trailer as a tip of the hat to that legacy. AND: nothing says it will be in the actual scoreas opposed to the trailer (plus just IMO it is a very fine cover they used for this). Which reminds me, ONE line in the trailer says “crusade”, again that does not tell us what the rest of the film’s dialog contains. Meanwhile over in the YouTube comment sections the Usual Suspects are already going “OMG, SJW casting!” over a gigantic universe being diverse. SMH ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/111 "2020-09-10T12:49:27Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Dopers really need to get past how niche dinosaur rock is nowadays. This isn’t a great place to put down other posters’ taste in musuc > [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@Alessan](#): > > > > But disco, punk and heavy metal also died. Does that make them dinosaurs, too? > > Yeah, kinda. I use “dinosaur rock” because it covers a group of rock genres (prog-, hard-, Southern blues-, album-) that all died out at the same time. Just “rock” doesn’t work because punk and metal were later and others were earlier. > > > [@](#): > > > > Every genre of music has its day in the sun end, just like whatever is popular now will also die, eventually. Saying that something got replaced is irrelevant; everything gets replaced. > > It’s not irrelevant to note that _this particular genre_ is outdated, _when_ making the point that most people won’t be drawn out of the trailer by its presence. > > > [@](#): > > > > Again, I’m not a Pink Floyd fan.[…] > > > > No, I just don’t like you talking trash about music I like. That’s all. > > “dinosaur rock” isn’t trash talk. It’s a term even [people who like the genre](http://www.dinosaurrockguitar.com/node/465) use for themselves. It’s just an evocative catch-all term for a particular group of rock subgenres that all met their end in popularity at the same time. > > If I _want_ to trash-talk it, I’d call it “fretwanking” And this has been a really long digression. Please drop the topic (all of you) so folks can discuss the new Dune adaptation. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/112 "2020-09-10T13:02:21Z")
Like I said, I love the aesthetics - but I am a bit unsure of the effectiveness of veiling the RM Mohayam. The RMs in both previous adaptations had such strong faces. As does Rampling, why hide it? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/113 "2020-09-10T13:08:10Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Meanwhile over in the YouTube comment sections the Usual Suspects are already going “OMG, SJW casting!” over a gigantic universe being diverse. SMH They must never have read the books. The cast is great and varied. Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya are great choices and more ‘age appropriate’ to the characters in the books than the actors in previous versions. The only real change to the characters was turing Liet Kynes from a white man to a black woman, but IMO that does not affect the story in any way. As far a Pink Floyd is concerned- It was a trailer and I not think that the music from the trailer will appear in the movie. The music for the movie is being composed by Hans Zimmer. You just know whatever he does is going to be good. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/114 "2020-09-10T13:09:24Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Like I said, I love the aesthetics - but I am a bit unsure of the effectiveness of veiling the RM Mohayam. The RMs in both previous adaptations had such strong faces. As does Rampling, why hide it? It’s to dehumanize her, I think. When she first shows up, she’s not Gaius Helen Mohiam - she’s the Bene Gesserit establishment. My guess is that she’ll take the veil off when she speaks to Jessica. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/115 "2020-09-10T13:20:02Z")
If it wasn’t a Dune I wouldn’t have watched the trailer more than one minute. It looks like a generic sci-fi and the colors just annoy me. Big pass. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/116 "2020-09-10T13:20:56Z")
I kinda like the imagery of the Revved-up Mother being veiled. It makes the Bene Gesserit seem more exotic. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/117 "2020-09-10T13:26:42Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > It’s to dehumanize her, I think. When she first shows up, she’s not Gaius Helen Mohiam - she’s the Bene Gesserit establishment. My guess is that she’ll take the veil off when she speaks to Jessica. Good point, but I do hope they don’t keep it on all the time. > [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > It makes the Bene Gesserit seem more exotic. Fair point. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/118 "2020-09-10T13:32:09Z")
I forgot to mention the new design for Shai-Hulud is simply frightening. The gaping leech-like mouth more closely resembles the image I had in my head. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/119 "2020-09-10T14:31:51Z")
It was a great tease for the worms. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788/120 "2020-09-10T15:07:50Z")
I like this trailer very much - music, worms, dialogue and all. I really enjoyed _Arrival_ and _Blade Runner 2049_, so I was already confident that the project was in good hands with Denis Villeneuve, and the trailer has only confirmed that. And see: > **[‘Dune’ Trailer Debut: Timothée Chalamet, Jason Momoa Discuss Making Sci-Fi...](https://variety.com/2020/film/news/dune-trailer-timothee-chalamet-1234763287/)** > > Frank Herbert’s 1965 novel “Dune” has been credited for inspiring half a century of the biggest works of science fiction and fantasy storytelling, from “Star Wars” and… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-dune-adaptation/851788.md?page=7)