# The New Federal State of China **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 30, 2020, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771 "2020-06-30T11:51:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/1 "2020-06-30T11:51:28Z")
The New Federal State of China. Yesterday I was on Twitter perusing various news sources I follow, also found this video from a friend. I did a bit a research and I was already following the BRICS development, my conclusion is the two are related. For those who aren’t aware, “BRICS is the group composed by the five major emerging countries - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa -, which together represent about 42% of the population, 23% of GDP, 30% of the territory and 18% of the global trade.” Source Wikipedia, other organizations in my opinion that are in alliance are GAVI, AIIB. Just Google those. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsv3OWUp0YU) [https://www.asean2020.vn/xem-chi-tiet1/-/asset\_publisher/ynfWm23dDfpd/content/asean-leaders-vision-statement-on-a-cohesive-and-responsive-asean-rising-above-challenges-and-sustaining-growth](https://www.asean2020.vn/xem-chi-tiet1/-/asset_publisher/ynfWm23dDfpd/content/asean-leaders-vision-statement-on-a-cohesive-and-responsive-asean-rising-above-challenges-and-sustaining-growth) Have y’all heard about any of this? I would think this would get at least some press coverage in the media. What say you? ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/2 "2020-06-30T11:55:17Z")
This is what AAIB says in the about section "[Partnerships - AIIB](https://www.aiib.org/en/about-aiib/who-we-are/partnership/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/3 "2020-06-30T12:14:24Z")
Here is Secretary Pompeo tweet which appears to back up the video Source > > > ASEAN 2020 | VIET NAM @ASEAN2020VN I’m done posting there is just so much substance to share. Still no major media news talking about this. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/4 "2020-06-30T12:26:08Z")
> [@shh1313](#): > > Still no major media news talking about this. Based on what you’ve presented thus far, there is no coherent “this” to talk about. ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/5 "2020-06-30T13:02:08Z")
Ok, did you watch the video, explore the links? When I started following BRICS and reading 'their site" also following links on Wikipedia, the original post and links I posted is a collection of my research. Since the media does not have any info about BRICS, GAVI, AAIB and ASEAN, I agree it makes no sense to you. Since you disagree with me no problem. I guarantee you eventually this will be a subject of much discussion. Tell me this why is there a video with Pompeo talking about “The New Federal State Of China”? Why is Pompeo tweeting to ASEAN, see the Pompeo tweet. Have you been following " Belt and Road"? Also known as the New Silk Road. If you haven’t let me enlighten you. 1st link long explanation, for a simplified check on Wikipedia. > **[China’s Massive Belt and Road Initiative](https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-massive-belt-and-road-initiative)** > > China’s colossal infrastructure investments may usher in a new era of trade and growth for economies in Asia and beyond. But skeptics worry that China is laying a debt trap for borrowing governments. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/6 "2020-06-30T13:23:59Z")
> [@shh1313](#): > > Tell me this why is there a video with Pompeo talking about “The New Federal State Of China”? Because Pompeo is an asshole in the Trump administration, and Trump likes to push scare stories about China. If I’d known that the first video you linked to was Steve Bannon, I would never have clicked on it. Didn’t watch, as I’m not into hard right propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/7 "2020-06-30T13:30:36Z")
As for BRICS, if you think that Brazil, Russia, India, and South Africa are going to be part of a ‘Federal State of China’, that’s more than delusional. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/8 "2020-06-30T13:35:16Z")
If you can’t make a coherent post that gives people an idea of what you’re even talking about, they’re unlikely to follow a video and a bunch of links that you post. Especially if the video is by someone who entirely lacks credibility. If you think something about a New Federal State of China and how it relates to BRICS, you need to put what you think about the NFSC into your post on this board if you want people to respond with more than ‘WTF are you talking about’ posts. ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/9 "2020-06-30T14:08:37Z")
Understood. Ok regardless it does not negate the formation of BRICS in 2008, and as l previously stated the following links I posted originated from BRICS, various articles, googling members of BRICS and other names in other organizations and the fact the US has given money to some of these organizations. Since I didn’t save all the 6 months of research and I don’t have a photographic memory, that and no US media reporting I can’t prove anything. My research did not come from Fox or any other media except the youtube video. The only reference in U S media was a NY newspaper and video I saw yesterday. I won’t bother anyone with it. I’ll let this be a reminder to me not to bother posting anything that could be construed as portraying me as a right wing supporter when in fact I’m not. Have a good day… ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/10 "2020-06-30T14:18:20Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > As You do realize China is part of BRICS? “As much of the world focuses on Greece’s travails, the BRICS countries – Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa – have been working to advance their own economic agenda, most recently at their seventh annual summit in the Siberian city of Ufa. But, though Russia hosted the meeting, it is China that was viewed as dominating the grouping. Indeed, the BRICS has already proved to be a force multiplier for Chinese diplomacy, and can remain so if China is careful not to push its national interests too hard.” > [@GreenWyvern](#): > > As for BRICS, if you think that Brazil, Russia, India, and South Africa are going to be part of a ‘Federal State of China’, that’s more than delusional. > **[Brics turns ten](https://www.eco-business.com/news/brics-turns-ten/)** > > At a summit in Brazil, leaders from the BRICS group have pledged to increase integration through New Development Bank loans, as doubts about sustainability linger. ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/11 "2020-06-30T14:20:58Z")
I’m not used to the new straight Dope forum. Apologies last post using quote function ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/12 "2020-06-30T14:30:10Z")
> [@shh1313](#): > > Since I didn’t save all the 6 months of research and I don’t have a photographic memory, that and no US media reporting I can’t prove anything. At this point, no one’s actually asking you to prove anything, they’re asking you to clearly state what it is that you might want to offer proof for. You’ve posted multiple times and I still have no idea what the Federal State of China means, what it’s doing, why anyone should be concerned about it, or what it has to do with BRICS beyond the obvious point of China being the C in BRICS. I don’t think anyone knows what you’re talking about well enough to disagree with you unless they just guess what you might mean. ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/13 "2020-06-30T14:44:42Z")
You made my point! No media coverage about The New Federal State Of China except the video of Bannon which No one takes seriously. My previous research kicked in and I wondered is there a connection? . Keep in mind India and China have had escalating skirmishes on India/China border. India is part of BRICS I found this article a few minutes ago maybe this will explain > **[On Declaration of New Federal State of China. - IISIA 株式会社原田武夫国際戦略情報研究所 -...](https://haradatakeo.com/%e3%83%96%e3%83%ad%e3%82%b0/on-declaration-of-new-federal-state-of-china/)** > > Mr. X, whom you must be due to my previous posts quite ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/14 "2020-06-30T14:57:20Z")
> [@shh1313](#): > > You made my point! No media coverage about The New Federal State Of China except the video of Bannon which No one takes seriously. Can you, in your own words, describe what **The New Federal State Of China** is and why we should care? Just a simple paragraph will do. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/15 "2020-06-30T15:05:00Z")
There’s no media coverage because it’s a load of utter crap. Sorry… but it really is. From your link: > Mr. X, whom you must be due to my previous posts quite familiar with, kindly suggested in advance that new oversees Chinese leaders living and staying in more than 90 countries would jointly declare foundation of the New Federal State of China at 8:37 A.M. on June 4. > In this regards, there are three possible “hotspots”, where this final scenario with a roadmap to the “Gnostistic Revolution” will abruptly emerges: _ **Israel with “Kabbalah”, Himalaya with “esoteric Buddhism”, and last but not the least, Japan with “Shintoism”** _ . Behind all the incidents we wee everyday on the surface of the world, there is the final fight among these three mystic traditions; _ **“Who will be finally selected and allowed to save the world.”** _ Plus… last but not least… Madame Blavatsky with Theosophy! All this theory lacks are aliens and a flat earth. 🤣 _(I’m out of here!)_ ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/16 "2020-06-30T15:05:59Z")
My wild ass guess, Some super wealthy billionaires with political connections outside of China in conjunction with other countries have decided to breakaway from Communist China and form a new China hence why it’s called The New Federal State of China. ??? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/17 "2020-06-30T17:04:59Z")
> [@shh1313](#): > > My wild ass guess If you have no idea why should we care? ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/18 "2020-06-30T18:05:12Z")
> [@shh1313](#): > > My wild ass guess, You started the topic, if even you have to guess what this thread is actually about then it doesn’t seem to serve a purpose. ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/19 "2020-06-30T18:40:48Z")
Well I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if the New Federal State Of China is a conspiracy theory or if it happens. Will it have anything to do with BRICS? Guess that remains to be seen. For the sake of discussion let’s assume it true. How will Communist China respond? How does it effect the US providing Biden is elected? Or How does it effect us if Trump is reelected? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771/20 "2020-06-30T18:44:30Z")
> [@shh1313](#): > > For the sake of discussion let’s assume it true. How will Communist China respond? How does it effect the US providing Biden is elected? Or How does it effect us if Trump is reelected? If some billionaire try to take some of China’s territory and declare it a new China then they will crush them militarily and take as much of their money as possible. The effect on the US providing Biden is elected is none. The effect on the US if Trump is elected is unpredictable flailing in whatever direction will help Russia the most. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-federal-state-of-china/913771.md?page=2)