# The New Hate **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 14, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250 "2013-08-14T21:02:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/21 "2013-08-15T08:51:47Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Lawyers? Not beyond the pale. Politicians? Not beyond the pale. Dentists? Not beyond the pale, though pretty odd. > > Physicians? Beyond the pale, weirdly enough. > > Anyway, it’s not beyond the pale because banking (like lawyering, etc.) is an _occupation_, not a race, sex or creed. Although I see that some occupations appear to have protected status, while others do not. Well yes, if it’s a choice, then we’re allowed to hate people for making that choice. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/22 "2013-08-15T10:56:54Z")
> [@Nametag](#): > > I hate the New Hate! Bring back Classic Hate! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/23 "2013-08-15T11:20:22Z")
Haters gonna hate. ---
**Author:** ![fudrucker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fudrucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fudrucker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/24 "2013-08-15T11:51:00Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I just finished [_The New Hate: A History of Fear and Loathing on the Populist Right,_](http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Hate-Loathing-Populist/dp/0307742512) by Arthur Goldwag (Jew). A fascinating study that covers the whole history of paranoid irrationality in American politics and culture, mostly RW, but not sparing black separatism, etc. Despite the title, his point is that the New Hate is not all that “new” after all. He sees a lot of common memes and themes in all past forms of it, mostly the ones [Richard Hosftadter identified,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paranoid_Style_in_American_Politics) regardless of whether the demonized all-powerful Other is the Jews, Freemasons, Catholics, Illuminati, atheists/secularists, intellectuals, Communists, capitalists, bankers, whites, nonwhites, immigrants, or (as is not seldom the case) some combination of the foregoing. > > He concludes: > > Now, what we’re going through now does **look** kinda new. It takes an insightful analyst to spot the almost tedious similarities to previous iterations. > > And, following on that, there is one more important point, which all all contemporary conspiracy theorists and Tea Partisans should take to heart: > > All of the previous iterations, without exception, were **completely worthless.** > > The Jefferson=Jacobin crowd, the Know-Nothings, Anti-Masons, anti-Catholics, Free Silverites, bank-hating economic producerists, anti-Semites, Klansmen, American Nazis and White Nationalists, John Birchers, Pat Buchanan paleocon-populists – all of them were always utterly, entirely wrong in every single thing that distinguished their worldviews from the mainstream. None were ever of any good use whatsoever to the American polity or society. None brought anything of value to the table ever. None ever did anything but to make irritable gestures resembling thoughts, stir up hatred, and make things worse for America. > > And your New Hate is eeriely similar. > > Think about that long and hard. Your wrong. A capitalist society with free market incentives has always granted the most wealth for everyone. You should stop licking the boot heels of karl marx, and join the 21st century.Even red China has acknowledged that. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/25 "2013-08-15T13:18:56Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Haters gonna hate. No hate to you but this statement has always amazed me in it’s profoundness. The first person to utter it was truly a prophet. I hope some day that we can determine if: daters gonna date skaters gonna skate debaters gonna debate waiters gonna wait and who knows it might just cause a movement into other fields: lovers gonna love shit disturbers gonna disturb shit killers gonna kill Roofers gonna roof ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/26 "2013-08-15T14:03:54Z")
_Fish gotta swim Birds gotta fly But they don’t last long If they try_ - Tom Lehrer ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/27 "2013-08-15T14:15:53Z")
[And here’s some more New Hate, from Orson Scott Card](http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/08/14/orson_scott_card_worries_about_obama_turning_urban_gangs_into_his_personal.html) . . . ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/28 "2013-08-15T14:31:36Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Yet you start so many partisan, divisive threads. Do you see a problem here? Hey, I never said [the current polarization of American politics](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=698305) was something I’m **against.** I’m a partisan of the left-in-general, and I’ve often called for the American Dems and the left to Get Mean and stop bringing a pamphlet to a gunfight like they always do. I’m only against the polarization in the sense of wishing the other side would just give up once and for all so we can finally start getting some things done; but, I don’t see the other side as some all-explanatory embodiment of Pure Evil, I see them as self-interested businesscritters at the top level and people with wrong ideas and values at the grassroots level. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/29 "2013-08-15T14:48:19Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > I’m afraid comrade **BrainGlutton** is mistaken on this. We far-left crazies want the bankers summarily guillotined after being declared counter-revolutionaries by properly constituted People’s Tribunals. What ever happened to exile on the frozen river?! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/30 "2013-08-15T14:49:45Z")
> [@camille](#): > > I’m usually the last Jew to raise an eyebrow on the internet, but I found that very unsettling. And he did the same thing in another thread in GD just before this one. Is it a subliminal message? Is it part of the new hate? Why, **BG**? wwwhhhhoooooossssssshhhhhhhhh… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/31 "2013-08-15T14:51:17Z")
> [@fudrucker](#): > > Your wrong. A capitalist society with free market incentives has always granted the most wealth for everyone. You can agree with that, and still agree with every single point in my OP. Calling out the New Haters is not any argument for socialism nor against capitalism. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/32 "2013-08-15T16:09:29Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > lovers gonna love > shit disturbers gonna disturb shit > killers gonna kill > Roofers gonna roof I like the roofer one, but the rest get a ‘meh.’ ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/33 "2013-08-15T16:13:42Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > I like the roofer one, but the rest get a ‘meh.’ Critics gonna critique. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/34 "2013-08-15T16:49:47Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > wwwhhhhoooooossssssshhhhhhhhh… You misspelled “odd”. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/35 "2013-08-15T17:15:53Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Conspiracies **do** work. The 9/11 attack was a conspiracy. But conspiracies cannot be kept up and kept secret for a very long time, certainly not for centuries. At least, not so far as we know. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/36 "2013-08-15T17:39:53Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I just finished [_The New Hate: A History of Fear and Loathing on the Populist Right,_](http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Hate-Loathing-Populist/dp/0307742512) by Arthur Goldwag (Jew). > …snip… > > Think about that long and hard. I have. And what I find scariest of all is that is someone whacko enough to write drivel like that, and others whacko enough to believe it. [Ron White is proven correct every day](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gxKStPXyn8). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/37 "2013-08-15T18:38:57Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I have. And what I find scariest of all is that is someone whacko enough to write drivel like that, and others whacko enough to believe it. > > [Ron White is proven correct every day](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gxKStPXyn8). Yes, that’s the sort of content-free drive-by post you always post when you know you’re beaten before you start. Come to think of it, you never post any **other** sort. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/38 "2013-08-15T19:58:37Z")
> [@camille](#): > > I’m usually the last Jew to raise an eyebrow on the internet, but I found that very unsettling. And he did the same thing in another thread in GD just before this one. Go into just about any thread that remotely touches on gays or gay rights, and you can usually find that **BG** has mad a jarringly unsubtle “joke” involving butt sex. Apparently, he thinks he’s funny. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/39 "2013-08-15T20:31:40Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Go into just about any thread that remotely touches on gays or gay rights, and you can usually find that **BG** has mad a jarringly unsubtle “joke” involving butt sex. > > Apparently, he thinks he’s funny. I love and respect the LGBT community, but there’s a fact of life y’all are just gonna have to learn to live with: **Homosexuality is funny.** _Ipso facto._ Always has been, always will be. 1. Sex is funny. 2. Anything that inverts expected norms/practices/outcomes is funny. 3. Anything that makes people nervous/anxious/uncomfortable is funny. 4. Anything involving the asshole is funny. These are basic irrefutable axioms of humorology. Nothing that combines them all can be rendered smirkproof. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250/40 "2013-08-15T20:40:12Z")
> [@Nametag](#): > > I hate the New Hate! Bring back Classic Hate! But New Hate consistently beats Classic Hate in Hate-to-Hate comparisons. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-hate/666250.md?page=3)