Sorry, I just don’t buy it. Cardinal Spellman is reputed to be good school and I would expect the validictorian to be able to get into any school they wanted to. How about a cite? What appellate judge is this? How the hell would an appellate judge know about her admission to her undergrad university anyway? :dubious:
Did you actually watch your own cite? She was talking about her standardized test scores not her grades. She specifically mentions that her excellent grades were a factor in overriding the relatively poor test scores.
Summary of the YouTube clip Magiver linked to:
Judge Sotomayor attests that she is a product of affirmative action. She says that she came from a socioeconomically disadvantaged background, and that her test scores were not on par with those of her colleagues at the colleges she attended, although they were not so far off the mark that she was unable to succeed at those colleges. She thinks it is questionable whether she would have been accepted based simply on her test scores, although her achievements in high school certainly helped her.
Bit different from the summary Magiver gotcha ya’ed everybody with.
She said she was a product of affirmative action and her grades were below that of other students so that means she was chosen for some minority qualification.
She did not say that her grades were below those of other students. You really didn’t watch your own clip, did you?
Standardized test scores. These are the true measure of what was learned versus the grading curve irregularities that exist between schools. We have schools in my area that are 3 miles apart where an “A” in one is equal to a “D” or “F” in the other.
Really? You think that stands for the proposition that Sotomayor wasn’t qualified for Princeton (where she was elected to Phi Beta Kappa) and not qualified for the Supreme Court?
I’d be very abashed about declaring who is and is not qualified to go to the Ivies while making the kinds of arguments that show this is a conundrum you could never personally face.
She’s not qualified because she is biased and feels it’s OK to discriminate based on race.
Cite?
That is a nice try at backpedalling, but no one is buying it. If you were talking about Sontomayer, you would have said that from the start.
It’s funny that the very fact that she graduated summa cum laude from one of the hardest schools on the planet is not seen as evidence by itself that she deserved to be admitted. No, it is much easier to judge her by a test that only purports to predict that which she went on to capably demonstrate later on.
And you want to accuse someone else of being biased??? You got biases coming out the ying yang, man.
She has personally promoted a Title VII case and has stated support for affirmative action programs. Combine that with her statement regarding white male judges and you have a judge who thinks it’s OK to promote people based on race and not achievement.
Discrimination is discrimination and she doesn’t understand that.
If that’s the reason you think she’s not qualified, then defend that point, and don’t distract with bullshit weak sauce gotcha claims about what she said in a video somewhere about standardized test scores. What you’re doing is throwing up a bunch of lousy claims, and when one of them is refuted, you go to another one, hoping folks have forgotten its refutation by now.
No, I think this was a “gotcha” planned moment. Knowing he was referring to Sotomayor all along, he deliberately kept it vague in an effort to build criticism of the anonymous judge before revealing it.
That was a good technique.
Where he failed, though, was misunderstanding the judge’s comments – he thought she mentioned grades, when it was test scores she actually discussed. This torpedoed his device pretty thoroughly.
I used her words and her actions to show that she supports discrimination through affirmative action and Title VII legislation, which she could easily rule on with additional cases on the Supreme Court.
If you don’t like the fact that I posted a video of her promoting affirmative action over test scores then too bad. It is expressly relevant to this thread regarding the test scores of the New Haven Firefighters.
No one criticised the judge, though. So on that basis alone it was a massive fail. If that’s what he was going for.
Which I doubt. His “gotcha ya” bears all the hallmarks of a poorly executed moonwalk.
Test scores are not related to grades? WTH? I was clear in my meaning and intent. I’m assuming she was referring to SAT’s or some other test score. The point is that she admitted she didn’t measure up to her Princeton counterparts and was admitted based on her ethnicity.
Now that the case is over does anyone have a link for test that the NHFD used?
Sure they did:
So let me get this straight. You’re saying her grades in high school sucked because her SAT test scores sucked…even though she graduated valedictorian from a school with a decent reputation. Why four years of assignments and tests doesn’t trump a single score on a college entrance exam makes no sense to me, but okay, whatever.
So how do you reconcile the magical feat that enabled her to graduate at the top of her class from Princeton? At what point can you admit that maybe just maybe the holy grail that is the SAT meant very little in determining her scholastic ability?
Test scores are undoubtedly RELATED to grades. But they are not grades. The phenomenon of the smart student that doesn’t test well is certainly not unheard of, though, and standardized multiple-choice questions are of limited value in some fields. So while they are related, they’re not the same, and it’s a fair distinction to point out that Student X has excellent grades but low test scores, and Student Y has great test scores but low grades. Student Y may be excellent at test-taking, with recall of specific facts and figures, but poorly disciplined at work. Student Y may thus not be a good fit for college, even though his test scores are high. Student X may likewise not be a good fit.
The two are considered together for a reason; they are not synonyms.
And if, indeed, you are contending that test scores have a unilateral ability to predict academic success – how do you explain Student S’s very successful academic performance at Princeton?