# The "new" information on the Vegas shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773 "2017-10-14T02:41:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/21 "2017-10-14T22:47:06Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Related question that somebody probably already has the answer to: Why were there two windows broken? Were they both in the same suite? Did the shooter break both or did the swat team shoot one of them out? If the shooter broke both was it to get two seperate shooting positions? Connected rooms in a suite, from all appearances. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/22 "2017-10-14T23:18:18Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Related question that somebody probably already has the answer to: Why were there two windows broken? Were they both in the same suite? Did the shooter break both or did the swat team shoot one of them out? If the shooter broke both was it to get two seperate shooting positions? Presumably, the investigators took photographs and examined the holes in the concrete from some of the many bullets fired. I would assume they will work out from the trajectories which window they were fired from, and makes sure that all the people shot could have been hit from those two windows, and make sure at all times, only one gun was firing. Because the act of doing this is error prone, maybe there will be a bullet that maybe ricocheted and hit someone that will give support for conspiracy theories. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/23 "2017-10-14T23:26:47Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Connected rooms in a suite, from all appearances. Yes it was a corner high roller suite with several rooms. All indications are the (one) shooter broke out both to give himself a larger field of fire. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/24 "2017-10-15T00:48:23Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > And then having Jack Ruby killed breaks that part of the chain. Jack Ruby died of a pulmonary embolism, partly due to lung cancer. Four doctors were at the autopsy, which also found cancer in his brain, lymph nodes, liver, pancreas, pleura, ribs, and vertebra. There was no sign of cancer in the chest x-rays that were taken when he was imprisoned three years earlier. The conspiracy was THAT good.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/25 "2017-10-15T01:24:03Z")
I have no idea how many shooters there were, but why did he need 12+ assault rifles? Were the rifles overheating and jamming so he picked a different one? If that were the case why not buy one that doesn’t overheat from automatic fire? ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/26 "2017-10-15T01:32:03Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I have no idea how many shooters there were, but why did he need 12+ assault rifles? Were the rifles overheating and jamming so he picked a different one? > > If that were the case why not buy one that doesn’t overheat from automatic fire? Is there a gun that doesn’t overheat from rapid fire ? I always thought that was a holy grail for gunsmiths … ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/27 "2017-10-15T01:32:58Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I have no idea how many shooters there were, but why did he need 12+ assault rifles? Were the rifles overheating and jamming so he picked a different one? > > If that were the case why not buy one that doesn’t overheat from automatic fire? [AR-15 meltdown.](https://youtu.be/BSizVpfqFtw?t=1) Even purpose built machine guns are fired in short bursts to avoid overheating and have quick change barrels. ETA: It’s also quicker to pick up a new rifle than reload. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/28 "2017-10-15T01:51:50Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > Is there a gun that doesn’t overheat from rapid fire ? I always thought that was a holy grail for gunsmiths … A water cooled machinegun. Problem is, there are almost none in civilian hands, I’m not sure how easy to belted ammo is to obtain, and they are very bulky and heavy. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/29 "2017-10-15T01:57:26Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [AR-15 meltdown.](https://youtu.be/BSizVpfqFtw?t=1) > > Even purpose built machine guns are fired in short bursts to avoid overheating and have quick change barrels. > ETA: It’s also quicker to pick up a new rifle than reload. Right, there is no such thing as a machine gun that won’t overheat. They are called crew served weapons for a reason. One of the duties of the assistant gunner is to replace the barrel quickly when needed. The shooter in this case was using 100 round magazines. AR-15 type weapons can be made to fire upwards of 400 rounds per minute with a bump fire stock. The weapon is not designed for that kind of shooting. The barrel is going to overheat and warp. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/30 "2017-10-15T02:12:18Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Right, there is no such thing as a machine gun that won’t overheat. They are called crew served weapons for a reason. > **[M1917 Browning machine gun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1917_Browning_machine_gun)** > > The M1917 Browning machine gun is a heavy machine gun used by the United States armed forces in World War I, World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War; it has also been used by other nations. It was a crew-served, belt-fed, water-cooled machine gun that served alongside the much lighter air-cooled Browning M1919. It was used at the battalion level, and often mounted on vehicles (such as a jeep). There were two main iterations: the M1917, which was used in World War I and the M1917A1, whic... " Consequently, Browning used a second gun that not only duplicated the original trial, but it also fired continuously for 48 minutes and 12 seconds (over 21,000 rounds)." For all practical purposes, overheating wouldn’t be an issue. Every victim would have either died or found cover before 21,000 rounds were fired. I saw one in a local national guard armory once, in the arms locker. They still have it, and it looked functional. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/31 "2017-10-15T03:26:24Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > Is there a gun that doesn’t overheat from rapid fire ? I always thought that was a holy grail for gunsmiths … I have heard that one criticisms of “bump stocks” is that they will cause a semi-automatic weapon to overheat (the other criticism is that they reduce accuracy - sadly, not a problem when you are spray shooting into a crowd). ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/32 "2017-10-15T04:02:46Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > [M1917 Browning machine gun - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1917_Browning_machine_gun) > > " Consequently, Browning used a second gun that not only duplicated the original trial, but it also fired continuously for 48 minutes and 12 seconds (over 21,000 rounds)." > > For all practical purposes, overheating wouldn’t be an issue. Every victim would have either died or found cover before 21,000 rounds were fired. > > I saw one in a local national guard armory once, in the arms locker. They still have it, and it looked functional. Weight: 103 lbs There is a reason why it was replaced. Good for fixed defensive positions. Not so good if you have to move around. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/33 "2017-10-15T04:07:46Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Weight: 103 lbs > There is a reason why it was replaced. Good for fixed defensive positions. Not so good if you have to move around. In this particular scenario, it would have been effective. But the 1986 machine gun ban meant he couldn’t have gotten one. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/34 "2017-10-15T04:14:50Z")
> [@celwic8891](#): > > This story bothered me from day one. My son was watching videos on YouTube about it and within a couple of hours those videos were unavailable. Now there is a second shooter. In my opinion based on watching videos footage I think there may have been even more. What’s the consensus on the Vegas shooting? Ill take Conspiracy Theories for $200 please, Alex Jones. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773/35 "2017-10-15T04:26:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > There is something odd about two things regarding the JKF assassination: Why did Oswald do it? And The Jack Ruby thing. > > I am still very sure Oswald was the lone assassin. Why he did it seems pretty well answered from what I’ve read. He tried to go after Ted Walker before that. And there’s what his wife said, and his attempts at being accepted as a Communist. It seems like he wanted to prove himself to be important, so that the Communists would take him. He had problems with his own insignificance. As for Jack Ruby: he was a patriotic man who killed the guy who killed the President. Then he stayed in prison until he died of cancer. Seems pretty simple to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-information-on-the-vegas-shooting/798773.md?page=1)