# The new political dichotomy? Globalism vs Patriotism **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 26, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-political-dichotomy-globalism-vs-patriotism/821961 "2018-09-26T18:28:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-political-dichotomy-globalism-vs-patriotism/821961/81 "2018-09-28T01:29:42Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > No, it is all about Trump’s proposed dichotomy. I have already objected to his word choice, and the falseness of dichotomies. See my last post dispelling the anti-semitism nonsense as well: Trump is clearly not anti-semetic. Holy crap. Ok, I’m out. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-political-dichotomy-globalism-vs-patriotism/821961/82 "2018-09-28T01:43:24Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > Just yesterday, Netanyahu said to Trump: > “No one has backed Israel like you do, and we appreciate it.” Being cozy with the Israeli government is not at all a guarantee of not being anti-Semitic. Heck, arms export licenses provided by the Israeli government are [currently furnishing Israeli weapons to neo-Nazi militants in Ukraine, and have done worse in the past](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727): > [@](#): > > In the past, Israel has armed anti-Semitic regimes, such as the generals’ regime in Argentina, which murdered thousands of Jews in camps while its soldiers stood in watchtowers guarding the abducted prisoners with their Uzi submachine guns. […] > > In the case of Ukraine forces using Israeli weapons are openly stating their support for racist and anti-Semitic ideas, in various publications. I’m really not seeing the force of an argument that tries to use Netanyahu’s willingness to suck up to a powerful and flattery-susceptible head of state as evidence that that head of state doesn’t personally have any anti-Semitic views. ISTM it is very unlikely that Netanyahu cares any more about individual anti-Semitism in the US POTUS than in the neo-Nazi troops who buy Israeli weapons. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-political-dichotomy-globalism-vs-patriotism/821961/83 "2018-09-28T02:26:24Z")
Global competition versus global cooperation. We’ve made this turn before, and it resulted in WWI and WII. The next turn is WWIII. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-political-dichotomy-globalism-vs-patriotism/821961/84 "2018-09-28T03:55:13Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > Just yesterday, Netanyahu said to Trump: > “No one has backed Israel like you do, and we appreciate it.” > [Netanyahu to Trump: 'No One Has Backed Israel Like You Do' | United with Israel](https://unitedwithisrael.org/netanyahu-to-trump-no-one-has-backed-israel-like-you-do/) > Check. Mate. I once knew a street chess player, one time he wanted to warn me that my last move was going to mean that I was going to lose my queen, but by tapping on a rook and pointing to his king, I showed him that my next move was checkmate against him. I won a few moves later. Nixon already showed that one can be an anti-semite and still support Israel. And Even Netanyahu forgot his history to say something that dumb to Trump. [Trump can not hold a candle to what Nixon did for Israel.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nickel_Grass) ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-political-dichotomy-globalism-vs-patriotism/821961/85 "2018-09-28T04:03:47Z")
I provided an opportunity to clarify. I see that it was declined. This isn’t debate, it’s nonsense. Closed. [/moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-political-dichotomy-globalism-vs-patriotism/821961.md?page=4)