Didn’t CSI do this whole thing as a episode a couple of weeks ago?
And you can see one of the scenes they were parodying on last night’s (5/4) Colbert Report.
:rolleyes: Yeah, like no one in ancient times contradicted someone else (or even themselves, as Homer didonce in the Iliad itself when he forgot someone had died in an earlier scene).
Homer ignored the myths about Helen’s divine parentage, which Hesiod played up. Hesiod completely inverted the original Pandora story as a joke, & his parody became the standard version taught in schools, because it was Hesiod.
We’re all imperfect recorders.
The “Ranger” series are the same way for the most part, although there’s usually a team-up with the previous season. You can try to come up with a sort of overall Ranger universe, but it’s not important to the individual series.
I kind of wish I didn’t read this thread, but then you warned me so it’s my own damn fault.
I hope blowing up Vulcan works in the movie, and I won’t say “Oh Vulcan’s gone, none of the stuff in TOS and their movies can happen now because the timeline is screwed up blah blah blah.” It’s fiction, I can handle it.
But blowing up Vulcan? To me that sounds like the equivalent of Michael Bay having a giant meteor trash Paris in Armageddon because big explosions are fun and it proves just how dangerous this meteor is. You better take that threat seriously because look at what it just did!
So I’m actually concerned that Vulcan was blown up just to prove that Nero is a dangerous villain and to make a big special effect. Please tell me that it works in the movie and it’s not that.
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That’s a hard question to answer. Yes, it does prove that Nero and the technology he uses is dangerous and the special effects are “pretty”. However, in my opinion the destruction is handled well. There’s a real dramatic tension leading up to it… It felt like something Joss Whedon would do, actually. You think the heroes are going to save the day, then you realize they won’t, and you get a sinking feeling as you watch everything go to hell. The consequences are given weight. It’s not shrugged off, and there’s a very real sense of what the surviving Vulcans have to face. Spock gets a great line in which he realizes he now belongs to an endangered species.
WHOAH! I hadn’t heard anything about that. Can we get some spoiler boxes, please?
I’ve added a spoiler tag to the thread title. I thought it was obvious but should’ve just added it when I saw the thread yesterday.
Surely it’s a whoosh. Mrs. Plant will kill somebody over this, and I’ll be the person nearest at hand.
I’m sorry, I tried using the boxes but I couldn’t see them turn up in the post when I previewed. I also thought, based on the post I was answering, that the point was already revealed in this thread. If the mods want to delete my post, I won’t have any problem with that.
Oh, I don’t know, out of 32 reviews on RottenTomatoes.com, *none *are negative and many are raves. I don’t see this kind of acclaim very often, so I’m willing to go with them over a bunch of fanboys.
Too late to edit: I can’t get the Onion here at work, but knowing them, I have a sheepish feeling that I’ve been wooshed.
It looks that way.
From a review liked at rotten tomatoes: (Thanks, PoorYorick)
Abrams and his writers Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman have come up with an ingenious loophole that allows them to clear the decks of all the clutter comprising four decades worth of Trek mythology
I’ve got no problem with voiding or re-setting or whatever continuity, I would have even been OK with (and probably even in favour of) a complete Batman-style re-boot; that doesn’t mean I have to like the changes, or even the movie, though. I’ll spoiler the rest just to be extra-sure:
[spoiler]Frankly, I can’t figure out why everybody’s raving about the movie like that, but then, I had the same feelings about the prequel comic. The whole plot is basically a series of ridiculous coincidences (Kirk being basically kicked from the ship by young Spock landing coincidentally on the same planet where Nero also left old Spock, which coincidentally also has a remote Federation outpost that just happens to be Scotty’s workplace?), contrived, contradictory non-science (really, even for Trek. Heck, even for Doctor Who this would’ve been bad! At least, when the good Doctor created a black hole to ‘cancel out’ a supernova, the whole thing was done for comic effect, but here it was taken seriously, being actually the thing that set the whole plot in motion, and because any old supernova just wouldn’t have been enough, for some reason nobody ever thinks important enough to address, it’s one that threatens the whole galaxy*, apparently actually expanding into distant star systems, presumably with superluminal speed; don’t even get me started on the black hole making red matter, or getting out of a black hole’s gravity well by riding on the pressure wave from the explosion of the warp core, when previously actually going at warp speed didn’t do squat, and why the hell would the plasma drill thingy emit some sort of transporter-and-communications-dampening-field?), and wholly unmotivated actions to carry the plot along (establishing the relationship between Uhura and Spock? Heck, just let her push her tongue down his throat, that’s establishing enough (yes, I know there was some reference to ‘showing no preferences’ or something beforehand)! And why the hell would Spock just throw out Kirk on some random planet? Oh yes, I forgot, it was ‘logical’. What, did they need to reduce the ship’s payload for a faster pursuit? Tribble infestation in the holding cells? Furthermore, why in all hell would Pike just make Kirk first officer when he’s not even properly in Starfleet yet? Why would that still hold any water after Kirk’s been jettisoned on an ice planet for mutiny? Is Starfleet promotion generally based on superior officers dying/going missing in action (even pre-emptively, as was the case with Spock/Kirk)? Could I walk up to the captain of some naval vessel, get him to loose his shit by insulting his mother, and be handed command?
Don’t get me wrong, the whole thing wasn’t a total disaster, if you can get over the whole ‘not making any bloody sense and not even trying to’-thing, particularly the fanservice bits were nice – Kirk boning (or attempting to) a green skinned alien girl, the redshirt going the way of all redshirts (though usually, they die to show the severity of the danger, not just cause they’re idiots), ‘our plan has a 4.3% chance to succeed’, and it looked overall fantastic (though the Romulan ship was just a horribly confused mess of scary-looking protrusions, and I guess Abrams just needed to throw some strange monsters in there), and the acting was good, too – particularly the guy who played McCoy nailed the character’s mannerisms, but I was less than thrilled with Pegg’s Scotty, who seemed almost parodistic at times.
But all in all? I don’t see why it’s getting the reviews it’s getting.
Oh, just to end this, there’s one continuity change that does bug me a little – I can take a blown up Vulcan, but disbanding Starfleet and selling all the ships for scrap metal? Because I assume that’s what they’re gonna do, now that they had Spock and Scotty invent a transwarp transporter capable of bridging interstellar distances in the blink of an eye for no reason other than to get Kirk of a planet where his presence didn’t make any sense in the first place.
*Actually, I think the Romulans just wanted to one-up the Klingons. ‘An exploding moon threatening your home world? Ha! We have an exploding sun threatening the whole galaxy!’[/spoiler]
I don’t think I’m gonna like this…it would seem that
Amok Time won’t happen now.
The time travel reset button is what I didn’t like about Voyager.
It seems like this guy is writing himself out of a hole at the very start.
Now I know how the Bond guys felt about Casino Royale. 
Which one? (thinking) Oh, you mean ALL of them.
MSNBC has the most damning reason to avoid this movie, besides how it looks like nowhere as much fun as “GI Joe.”
Maybe I can be dismissed as a fanboi since 1966, when I was 12, but the modern fankidz have been raised on this from the cradle. Even when the canon was trampled, it was often done with a wink, as in Worf’s, “We do not discuss it (cranial ridges) with outsiders.”
A *Star Trek *without a sense of humor about itself might as well be Voyager or Enterprise.
ETA: Which wouldn’t have required a reboooting.
I’ve watched the trailer as many times as you’d imagine a single person would, and the kid says “Tiberius.” God damn liberal media, get your facts straight.
They should have given the TNG crew a proper sendoff and introduced this as an all new crew to take over the series…
Sluts… the Final Frontier. These are the voyeurs of the starship Enterprise. Its five-second mission: to explore strange new posititions, to seek out new skanks and new pickup lines, to boldly go where every man has gone before.
Declan
No wonder Kirk was so eager to join Starfleet!
And yes, the kid says “Tiberius” in the preview I saw.