# The New Xbox **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 21, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947 "2013-05-21T17:35:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/201 "2013-06-10T23:55:12Z")
To make an analogy. “This idiot somehow got a job as a science writer at a major magazine, but he knows less about physics than kindergarteners. Hell, even timecube guy knows more than him” is not a compliment to timecube guy’s knowledge of physics. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/202 "2013-06-11T00:02:05Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > They’re Wall Street analysts that are employed by some of the big investment firms (Pachter works for [Wedbush](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedbush_Securities)) to supply information on the game industry to their clients. Most of them don’t seem to know very much, but Pachter is particularly stupid. > > 99% of all “Nintendo is doomed” hysteria link back to him in some way. He was one of the first to float the “they should just give up” theory and he continually ignores Nintendo’s profitable quarters to push Microsoft. > > Basically, he’s a fanboy who is paid to be a fanboy. So, what I gotta do to get me that job! ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/203 "2013-06-11T00:05:02Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > So, what I gotta do to get me that job! Damned if I know. Sounds pretty sweet though, doesn’t it? And Beef, you’re my Fantasy Football Yoda. You’re a smart guy, but you don’t know as much about the console market as you like to think. But you definitely know more than Pachter, a guy who is paid to know and just doesn’t bother. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/204 "2013-06-11T00:13:33Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Your whole point is to talk about how little this guy who, despite doing it for a living, knows very little about the topic. So you say youtube users know more than him. Youtube commenters are known for being dumb, so you’re saying “this guy is so dumb he knows less than youtube commenters”, then, you say “hell, [statement]”, meaning "I am making an even more powerful statement, an even more extreme example than Youtube users. Even Kinthalis and Beef, who know so little that I’m putting them below youtube commenters, know more than this guy. > > The idea that you’re trying to compliment my knowledge is absurd. You’re using me as an example of someone who knows so little about it that it’s amazing that somehow this professional knows even less. You’re using me as a reference of lack of knowledge to use as a springboard to insult him. > > If I didn’t know you better, I’d be sure you were just screwing with me now, but I think you’re actually reallllllly bad at the whole communicating thing. Wow. You are as bad as my first wife. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/205 "2013-06-11T00:25:20Z")
Was she good at pointing out the obvious to you even when it eluded you too? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/206 "2013-06-11T01:03:16Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Was she good at pointing out the obvious to you even when it eluded you too? You should let it go. It didn’t read in any way how you are wanting to take it. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/207 "2013-06-11T01:19:33Z")
> [@Richard\_Pearse](#): > > You should let it go. It didn’t read in any way how you are wanting to take it. Oh for fucks sake. “This guy doesn’t know shit about shit, even youtube commenters know more than him, hell, even SenorBeef knows more than him” legitimately reads as a praise of my knowledge on the subject? I don’t care. It’s a lame, incorrect insult. But to pretend it wasn’t meant to be an insult, but was actually meant to be a compliment, is so stupid/dishonest/inexplicable that I can’t abide it. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/208 "2013-06-11T02:10:56Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Oh for fucks sake. > > “This guy doesn’t know shit about shit, even youtube commenters know more than him, hell, even SenorBeef knows more than him” legitimately reads as a praise of my knowledge on the subject? > > I don’t care. It’s a lame, incorrect insult. But to pretend it wasn’t meant to be an insult, but was actually meant to be a compliment, is so stupid/dishonest/inexplicable that I can’t abide it. YouTube commenters would be expected to know about the game industry wouldn’t they? Isn’t that the demographic they’re in? I think you’re missing where the YouTube commenters stand in the comparison. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/209 "2013-06-11T02:17:08Z")
No, youtube commenters are the dumbest people on the planet, and that’s how it was meant. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/210 "2013-06-11T02:58:58Z")
So, $499 for the PS4 as well and no internet connection required and you can sell and lend games. Perhaps the Xbox will have to do the same now? ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/211 "2013-06-11T03:03:56Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > So, $499 for the PS4 as well and no internet connection required and you can sell and lend games. > > Perhaps the Xbox will have to do the same now? It’s $399 for the PS4. They just rocked Microsoft. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/212 "2013-06-11T03:05:02Z")
Engadget is saying $399 for PS4. With better hardware. And fewer restrictions. And not watching you at all times to see if you’re watching the commercials for achievements or fucking your rabbit. I don’t see how MS doesn’t get rocked this gen. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/213 "2013-06-11T03:25:55Z")
Let’s dial back the outrage in this thread. The last few posts have been toeing the line with being snarky and insulting towards other members…so this is a reminder to take it to the Pit if you have problems with another poster. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/214 "2013-06-11T11:49:22Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > It’s $399 for the PS4. They just rocked Microsoft. Ah, I must have misread. May I give an outsider perspective? I don’t own a Wii, PS3, or Xbox 360. I own a PC laptop that allows me to play…quite a few current games(Darksiders 1 and 2, but I can’t run Skyrim, I believe). I thought the 360 and the PS3 were more or less equal, the blu-ray tech. being the only thing I liked more on the PS3. I don’t play online games, so I’m definitely and odd one these days. Anyway, my opinion is that the PS4 looks to be the better product. $100 cheaper and full support of selling and lending out games, etc. Then again, I think the Xbox(that is, microsoft) may end up backing down on their claims and then the consoles will be more or less equal. Just my thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/215 "2013-06-11T12:37:08Z")
The only thing I can see changing the landscape is if Microsoft manages to make having the Kinect an absolutely essential component in your living room. Who knows, somewhere down the line, that could certainly be true. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/216 "2013-06-11T12:58:16Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > The only thing I can see changing the landscape is if Microsoft manages to make having the Kinect an absolutely essential component in your living room. Oh, please, please, please let them try! My one disappointment with the Microsoft presser was they didn’t spend more time talking about Kinect games. The Kinect is horrible for gaming, and the more Microsoft pushes it, the better it is for Sony. ---
**Author:** ![DeptfordX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DeptfordX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeptfordX)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/217 "2013-06-11T13:05:13Z")
Of course it’s the bundled kinect thats causing the price difference. Without it they’re at worst going to be able to match the PS4 price. I wonder if the whole Kinect thing is going to end up hurting them as much as the whole DRM issues. I 'm not sure i don’t find the “Has to be plugged in, constantly listens to you and can’t be turned off etc” thing more annoying than the DRM. And for what? To relieve me of the tyanny of having to move my thumb 1/8th of an inch to change the channel. I could easily see the Xbox going the same way as the Playstation Vita. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/218 "2013-06-11T13:07:51Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Then again, I think the Xbox(that is, microsoft) may end up backing down on their claims and then the consoles will be more or less equal. > > Just my thoughts. That’s my thought as an outsider. Stuff like used game DRM is all software. It doesn’t have to be included. I don’t know if lowering the price point $50 or so is an option with the Kinect included but, over all, I guess I still see time between now and the holiday release season. That’s not a ton of time but I can’t believe no one would want to adjust their direction. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/219 "2013-06-11T13:08:37Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > Oh, please, please, please let them try! My one disappointment with the Microsoft presser was they didn’t spend more time talking about Kinect games. The Kinect is horrible for gaming, and the more Microsoft pushes it, the better it is for Sony. I didn’t say the Kinect for gaming, I said the Kinect for “an essential living room component”. I don’t see it happening as it didn’t latch on before, and I’ve never seen it in action, and other smart TV technology seems to be gathering no momentum whatsoever - but who knows. That’s the only thing I, an extremely casual gamer with no skin in the game, can see as a game changer. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/220 "2013-06-11T13:26:45Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > Oh, please, please, please let them try! My one disappointment with the Microsoft presser was they didn’t spend more time talking about Kinect games. The Kinect is horrible for gaming, and the more Microsoft pushes it, the better it is for Sony. There were 2 games announced that were supposed to be totally kinect controlled. BOTH of those games (Ryse and the flying dragon one - forget the name) now backed off kinect, and are only marginally using it. I think the new kinect is going to be better than the last gen, but I’d wager it’ll have much of the same problems it had before. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947.md?page=12)