# The New Xbox **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 21, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947 "2013-05-21T17:35:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/61 "2013-05-22T02:58:19Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > You are the ultimate hater my friend. Relentless, prolific, transparent. He is the gamer Buck Nasty. For the record, I’m fine with installing games. Xbox does that now for faster load times, but my hard drive is pretty small/full, so I never do it unless the title demands an install. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/62 "2013-05-22T03:04:15Z")
I’m super nonplussed by this, with this information. It really doesn’t speak to a thing I care about, which is the games. We’ll see at E3, I guess. (stupid edit window) ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/63 "2013-05-22T05:25:01Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Apparently the Xone / X1 / XBone / Xbox 360 2 doesn’t have DVR functionality. And Microsoft never said it did. I noticed that leap this afternoon on a few blogs I follow and they all seemed to be saying… “Well, if it can control your TV surely it can record TV…” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/64 "2013-05-22T06:39:48Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > I know no one who installs games on their 360. > > Edit: Besides you. I’ve recently upgraded to a used 250 gig hard drive, from the 20 gig that came with the box. I installed my entire catalog onto the machine just to luxuriate in the new found excess. Of course, my entire catalog is about 5-6 games. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/65 "2013-05-22T11:19:23Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > I’m super nonplussed by this, with this information. It really doesn’t speak to a thing I care about, which is the games. We’ll see at E3, I guess. > (stupid edit window) Why are you such a hater? ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/66 "2013-05-22T11:20:48Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > I’ve recently upgraded to a used 250 gig hard drive, from the 20 gig that came with the box. I installed my entire catalog onto the machine just to luxuriate in the new found excess. Of course, my entire catalog is about 5-6 games. I was going to say, that’s not much space. I’ve got a terrabyte drive and I sometimes have to switch up games to make room! Granted many games are larger on Pc than console, thanks to higher rez assets. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/67 "2013-05-22T11:22:09Z")
… And more kindling for the fire: > **[Yahoo](https://yahoo.tumblr.com/)** The situation is even less clear now. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/68 "2013-05-22T11:23:30Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > And Microsoft never said it did. I noticed that leap this afternoon on a few blogs I follow and they all seemed to be saying… “Well, if it can control your TV surely it can record TV…” I made that same leap too. This is a deal breaker for me. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/69 "2013-05-22T12:21:16Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > And Microsoft never said it did. I noticed that leap this afternoon on a few blogs I follow and they all seemed to be saying… “Well, if it can control your TV surely it can record TV…” This actually clears up something that confused me about the Microsoft announcement. The PS4 stores a large rolling buffer of video of your last few minutes of gameplay – that’s how the Share button works. I know from internal sources that Microsoft was a bit thrown by the Share button when it was announced. It’s not a feature they had anticipated or could duplicate at this late stage in their hardware development. But watching their announcement I found myself thinking “Gee, you have a DVR. Why don’t you just stream gameplay video to that and add some software to let people post clips to the web?” But if there’s no DVR, that explains why they can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/70 "2013-05-22T12:25:23Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > This actually clears up something that confused me about the Microsoft announcement. The PS4 stores a large rolling buffer of video of your last few minutes of gameplay – that’s how the Share button works. I know from internal sources that Microsoft was a bit thrown by the Share button when it was announced. It’s not a feature they had anticipated or could duplicate at this late stage in their hardware development. But watching their announcement I found myself thinking “Gee, you have a DVR. Why don’t you just stream gameplay video to that and add some software to let people post clips to the web?” But if there’s no DVR, that explains why they can’t. Microsoft did announce that the Xbox One would have a “Game DVR.” From what little we saw, it doesn’t look any different from Sony’s “Share” button. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/71 "2013-05-22T13:27:39Z")
Yeah, there isn’t anything stopping the X1 technologically from being a DVR. I suspect it’s either a compromise they needed to make in order for their television partnerships to work out or purposefully omitted in order to encourage users to buy content from their XBL store. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/72 "2013-05-22T14:47:11Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > “Q: Why require Kinect with every Xbox One? > A: The all new Kinect is now an essential and integrated part of the platform. By having it as a consistent part of every Xbox One, game and entertainment creators can build experiences that assume the availability of voice, gesture and natural sensing, leading to unrivaled ease of use, premium experiences and interactivity for you.” > > Ugh, God fucking damn it. I will be straight up shocked if the Xbox really requires you to use voice/motion controls for anything other than Kinect based games. Otherwise they’re basically saying “if you’re disabled, you can’t use Xbox.” I think they just want to integrate it from the very beginning. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/73 "2013-05-22T15:15:50Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Why are you such a hater? It’s what I do. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/74 "2013-05-22T15:24:32Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I will be straight up shocked if the Xbox really requires you to use voice/motion controls for anything other than Kinect based games. Otherwise they’re basically saying “if you’re disabled, you can’t use Xbox.” I think they just want to integrate it from the very beginning. Agreed. I predict that when you turn it on for the first time, the very first screen you see will look something like this… * * * Enable Voice Control? YES NO ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/75 "2013-05-22T17:49:22Z")
Hmmm, I wonder if the DVR isn’t built in, but if, like the current xbox, it can team up with a PC to become a DVR? Right now you can use the xbox as an extender. It streams live TV, music, and video content from your PC to your TV and you can schedule recordings on the Xbox; the actual recording, however, happens on the PC. The only reason why I’m not currently using an xbox for that duty is that the xbox is still very much geared toward, well, being what it is: a game console. It’s loud, it takes a long to boot up, has no stand-by mode, and won’t boot directly into media center. I have to navigate to it every time I turn it on. I’m hoping that it’ll be able to team up with a PC for recording duty, as I’m really digging some of the other multi-media features. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/76 "2013-05-22T18:00:21Z")
Not enough specifics yet, but sounds like a dumpster fire. PS4 sounds more impressive and less invasive. Of course that’s a relative thing, since that’s pretty disappointing too. I’m not usually a privacy nut, but it sounds like the Kinect/mic combo is going to be watching and listening to you all the time. I read somewhere that it will generate context-based advertising based on what it sees and hears. The used game issue is pretty shitty from an end user perspective. Of course I don’t care about selling used games myself, it hardly even seems worth the effort and I’ve never tried to do it, but then again I buy games for an average of like $4, so who cares, I’d rather just always own them. Console users seem to make a big deal about how awesome it is to be able to pay $5 less at gamestop to make sure a cent never reaches the people who actually made the game, so this sort of thing must be a kick in the balls. Lack of backwards compatibility is just a dick move. It wouldn’t be hard to run last gen games, the graphics APIs are the same and the CPU on the last generation was so pathetic that it could probably be emulated by a wristwatch. That’s just a pure cash in strategy. 16 slow cores is a retarded way to go for gaming as I described in the ps4 thread. They’re going to compete - and eventualy lose - to tablets and mobile devices in processing power. They won’t even come within half a decade of current PC tech, and that’s at launch - it only gets worse from there. What a boring console generation. I hope the casual crowd goes to tablets and the hardcore crowd goes to PC and the console makers fail so hard that they all have to commit ritualistic suicide. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/77 "2013-05-22T18:14:30Z")
Here’s a hardware breakdown from AnandTech: > **[The Xbox One: Hardware Analysis & Comparison to PlayStation 4](https://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4)** Looks like they are expecting the xbox GPU to be about 33% weaker in terms of raw compute performance. The memory bandwidth might be an issue as well. That GDDR5 gamble form Sony might pay off, but at the same time, I’m still dubious that they’ll be able to secure all the GDDR5 they’ll need to meet demand. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/78 "2013-05-22T18:23:34Z")
> [@](#): > > In ARM terms we’re talking about something that’s faster than a Cortex A15 Wow, the xbox 360 CPU is faster than a phone CPU from 2010. Impressive. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe tablets will outclass them before they’re even launched. ---
**Author:** ![dzeiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@dzeiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzeiger)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/79 "2013-05-22T19:46:28Z")
So is there anything in the voice command stuff that would prevent sound output from the Xbox from controlling the Xbox? That is, if I use the “watch a youtube video on the side” to watch somebody do a walkthrough of a tricky part of a game while I’m playing it, and the person in the video is giving audio commands, would it affect mine as well? And can the sound commands be changed, so that I can just turn on both the Xbox _and_ my lamp with just a clap of my hands? ---
**Author:** ![Airk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Airk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airk)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/80 "2013-05-22T19:50:32Z")
> [@dzeiger](#): > > So is there anything in the voice command stuff that would prevent sound output from the Xbox from controlling the Xbox? That is, if I use the “watch a youtube video on the side” to watch somebody do a walkthrough of a tricky part of a game while I’m playing it, and the person in the video is giving audio commands, would it affect mine as well? > > And can the sound commands be changed, so that I can just turn on both the Xbox _and_ my lamp with just a clap of my hands? Methinks you are asking for WAAAAY more specificity than anyone (certainly anyone outside of Microsoft) has about this device. I mean, FFS, it was just REVEALED yesterday. This is the sort of question you ask when the device has been released and people have had a chance to play with it, not the kind you ask when it has just been shown to a studio audience under spotlights. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947.md?page=5)