# The New Xbox **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 21, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947 "2013-05-21T17:35:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/141 "2013-05-28T18:29:52Z")
> [@Unpronounceable](#): > > I think my favorite bit of news is the patent they just took out: if the device detects “unauthorized” people watching a movie, it’ll turn off. So you think that’s going to be a parental-lock thing, or a way to require multiple-viewer licenses for rentals? “Hey Jim, you wanna come over and watch the new Super Man movie tonight? Yes… yeah, you’re gonna have to sit in the corner chair again so the kinect can’t see you watching with us. Oh… really? Come on! It isn’t that bad!!” Seriously though… WHAT? \<\_\< ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/142 "2013-05-28T18:33:22Z")
> [@Unpronounceable](#): > > I think my favorite bit of news is the patent they just took out: if the device detects “unauthorized” people watching a movie, it’ll turn off. So you think that’s going to be a parental-lock thing, or a way to require multiple-viewer licenses for rentals? This is it This is how my wife will finally lock me out of porn ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Unpronounceable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9de0a6/32.png) [@Unpronounceable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unpronounceable)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/143 "2013-05-28T19:10:09Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Seriously though… WHAT? \<\_\< Heh…here’s a link to the [patent](http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220120278904%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120278904&RS=DN/20120278904) (edit: ) application. specifically: > [@](#): > > 1. A computer implemented method for distributing limited play content to a user, comprising: transmitting a selection of audiovisual content to a display device, each content having one or more associated license option, each license option allowing a specified number one or more presentations to one or more users on the display device; receiving a selection of one of the content and a selection of a licensing option for said content; determining a number of users at the display device prior to presenting the content; presenting the content on the display device if the number of users at the display device is equal to or lower than that specified in the licensing option; and monitoring the presentation of the content to determine a number of viewers of the content during presentation of the content at the display device. > > 2. The method of claim 8 further including continuously monitoring a number of users at a presentation device during the presentation of the content. > > 3. The method of claim 9 further including determining whether a number of users at a presentation device exceeds the license option during the presentation of the content. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/144 "2013-06-06T22:47:52Z")
And here’s the details just released on used games. Not good… > **[Microsoft Details Xbox One Used Games, Always Online - IGN](https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/06/microsoft-details-xbox-one-used-games-always-online)** > > Microsoft's full policies on Xbox One’s internet requirements, used game policies, transfers to friends, Kinect functionality and much more. > [@](#): > > “We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.” > > “ > You can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once. > > Microsoft says “your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console–regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.” The company added that “Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.” > > It’s worth noting that Microsoft allows you to gift games to friends but they can’t borrow them. Microsoft added that “loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.” > > Xbox One will also allow you to give up to 10 family members access to “log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One.” Similar to Xbox 360, “a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.” ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/145 "2013-06-06T23:15:37Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Bro gamers mock Wii users all the time as casual owners of a weak system. I see comically stupid fights to the death over miniscule differences between games for ps3 and 360. There was no unambiguous winner for that gen but there may be for this one. People that comically think of themselves as hardcore gamers will want the best one. The Wii is a very different system. A VERY different system. It is all motion control and silly games that have no appeal at all to “hardcore” gamers. The games that do have appeal play for crap on the Wii. The 360 and PS3, on the other hand, are very similar in controls, content, and accessibility. They compete because they are alike in every way the Wii is not. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/146 "2013-06-06T23:45:59Z")
And it’s official. You need to have the Xbox connected to the internet. If you aren’t connected at least once per 24 hour period you WON’T be able to play games. Welcome to PC gaming guys 🙂 It was a good thing for us though, it might yet be a good thing for you in the long run. > **[Xbox One Needs To Connect To The Internet Every 24 Hours For Gaming](https://kotaku.com/xbox-one-needs-to-connect-to-the-internet-every-24-hour-511751949)** > > Following a whole lot of mixed messaging and confusion Microsoft has just confirmed what we told you three weeks ago: the Xbox One will indeed need to be connected to the Internet once every 24 hours to play games. Uh oh, more news pouring in: > **[The Xbox One Just Had A Very Bad Day](https://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-just-had-a-very-bad-day-511766497)** > > In two weeks' time, we may look on this as one of the smartest PR moves of all time. But for now? It's been a bad day for Microsoft. - Need to be connected to the internet. - Will block used games if publisher wants it to. Even if publisher allows, it’ll be on a per retailer basis. - Can only gift a game once. Other restrictions on sharing and lending. Lending will not be possible at all at launch. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/147 "2013-06-06T23:50:11Z")
I’d just like to point out that I predicted this, and was laughed at by people who shall remain nameless. Cubsfan and JustinBailey!!! ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/148 "2013-06-06T23:52:05Z")
Fuck you, Microsoft. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/149 "2013-06-06T23:53:16Z")
Whoever is in charge of P.R. for XBone should be fired. Seriously. Regardless of whether the final system is good or bad when it’s released, they’re only a week out from E3 and their consumer messaging is atrocious. Right now is when you want all the fanboys freaking out about the amazing new gaming experience they’re going to get. But all the gaming press has to talk about is stuff that pisses off the core audience. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/150 "2013-06-07T00:10:52Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > The Wii is a very different system. A VERY different system. It is all motion control and silly games that have no appeal at all to “hardcore” gamers. The games that do have appeal play for crap on the Wii. Please see the list of Wii bestsellers posted above. I can’t even imagine a survey of “hardcore” gamers that didn’t include at least 50% of them interested in Mario Kart/Zelda/Mario Galaxy. > [@Kinthalis](#): > > I’d just like to point out that I predicted this, and was laughed at by people who shall remain nameless. > > Cubsfan and JustinBailey!!! To be fair to myself, who in their right mind would ever believe that Microsoft would willingly destroy their industry credibility with a series of policies (not just one, but multiple different rules) that are anti-gamer. It’s like if Coca-Cola declared war on carbonation. This seals it, I’m getting a PS4. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/151 "2013-06-07T00:12:30Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > Whoever is in charge of P.R. for XBone should be fired. Seriously. Regardless of whether the final system is good or bad when it’s released, they’re only a week out from E3 and their consumer messaging is atrocious. Right now is when you want all the fanboys freaking out about the amazing new gaming experience they’re going to get. But all the gaming press has to talk about is stuff that pisses off the core audience. They likely got it out of the way now so they can showcase “Games! Games! Games!” at their E3 Press Conference. Basically, they think gamers have the memory of Dory the Fish. So **Hamster King** , what awesome unannounced games will I be playing on my PS4? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/152 "2013-06-07T00:32:46Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Please see the list of Wii bestsellers posted above. I can’t even imagine a survey of “hardcore” gamers that didn’t include at least 50% of them interested in Mario Kart/Zelda/Mario Galaxy. That list is much more substantial than you might have imagined, then. The Wii has been bringing up the rear for years, and not even Mario can save the Wii U. It never once occurred to me to shop a Wii. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/153 "2013-06-07T00:38:36Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > That list is much more substantial than you might have imagined, then. The Wii has been bringing up the rear for years, and not even Mario can save the Wii U. It never once occurred to me to shop a Wii. Ah, you’re one of those people. Carry on, the real world certainly is. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/154 "2013-06-07T00:39:34Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > So **Hamster King** , what awesome unannounced games will I be playing on my PS4? LOL … what, do you want me to get fired? 🙂 Internal security is pretty tight, so I don’t know much. Nothing I’m working on is scheduled to be announced at E3 this year so I’m really out of the loop. I’ve only seen one trailer internally. But it is for a completely new AAA IP, and it does look pretty amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Airk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Airk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airk)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/155 "2013-06-07T13:24:28Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > This seals it, I’m getting a PS4. Don’t jump that gun just yet. Microsoft has announced a policy that is “anti-gamer” but EXTREMELY pro-publisher. So. Which console do you think is going to start getting all the games from the big publishers? Or maybe they’ll just be cheaper on the XBone. Or maybe Sony will realize that they could be screwed here and announce a policy of their own regarding used games. They were SUPER cagey about answering that question during the PS4 reveal, and it sounds to ME like they were hedging their bets. I’m not sure things will go well for Sony with the big studios if they DON’T announce some sort of used game control. They’re just letting Microsoft take all the flack for it for now. Or are you just bothered by the once-a-day internet check in? ---
**Author:** ![Terraplane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Terraplane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terraplane)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/156 "2013-06-07T14:01:45Z")
This probably rules out the Xbox for me. I’m not going to buy a system that won’t let me play games if (when) their servers go down. Depending on how Sony handles this, I’ll either be buying my first PlayStation in 16 years, or I’ll start saving for a nice gaming PC. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/157 "2013-06-07T14:26:07Z")
> [@Airk](#): > > Or maybe Sony will realize that they could be screwed here and announce a policy of their own regarding used games. They were SUPER cagey about answering that question during the PS4 reveal, and it sounds to ME like they were hedging their bets. No, they were quite clear. > **[It's Official: PS4 Will Not Feature Used Game DRM Like Xbox One](https://www.cinemablend.com/games/It-Official-PS4-Feature-Used-Game-DRM-Like-Xbox-One-56264.html)** > > This is a crazy bit of news because it's not actually new but Sony went ahead and kind of circled everyone back around to an earlier point they made regarding used games and DRM. Hence, the company is answering new questions retroactively and confirm... ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/158 "2013-06-07T14:44:53Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > No, they were quite clear. > > [It's Official: PS4 Will Not Feature Used Game DRM Like Xbox One | Cinemablend](http://www.cinemablend.com/games/It-Official-PS4-Feature-Used-Game-DRM-Like-Xbox-One-56264.html) I don’t really think it’s all that clear. In order for Publishers to truly be able to enforce some sort of used game sale protection Sony HAS to be providing some sort of tools for that to be accomplished. You can’t lock down a game for the PS4, if there isn’t some sort of mechanism by which they can guarantee a lockdown. And it’s precisely the publishers that WANT this. Pretty sure MS doesn’t’ give a crap. Here’s another prediction, let’s see if I’m right (yet again): Sony is letting MS take all the flack, but they too will have some sort of built in system that publishers can take advantage off to pull the same thing on the PS4. When the inevitable happens and publishers begin blocking games on the PS4, Sony will throw it’s collective hands up in the air and sheepishly say: “Hey, it’s not us! It’s them publishers!”. ---
**Author:** ![Airk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Airk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airk)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/159 "2013-06-07T17:49:05Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > I don’t really think it’s all that clear. In order for Publishers to truly be able to enforce some sort of used game sale protection Sony HAS to be providing some sort of tools for that to be accomplished. > > You can’t lock down a game for the PS4, if there isn’t some sort of mechanism by which they can guarantee a lockdown. And it’s precisely the publishers that WANT this. Pretty sure MS doesn’t’ give a crap. > > Here’s another prediction, let’s see if I’m right (yet again): > > Sony is letting MS take all the flack, but they too will have some sort of built in system that publishers can take advantage off to pull the same thing on the PS4. > > When the inevitable happens and publishers begin blocking games on the PS4, Sony will throw it’s collective hands up in the air and sheepishly say: “Hey, it’s not us! It’s them publishers!”. This is EXACTLY what I am saying. Seriously. Look at Sony’s WORDING: “Sony will not require…” guess what? MICROSOFT doesn’t “require” anything regarding DRM or non-transferrability EITHER, they are just making that functionality AVAILABLE to the publishers, who, of course, will use it. Microsoft doesn’t care. They don’t REQUIRE it. Neither does Sony. But that doesn’t mean they won’t “make it available” to publishers who want to use it. ---
**Author:** ![Unpronounceable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9de0a6/32.png) [@Unpronounceable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unpronounceable)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947/160 "2013-06-07T19:25:27Z")
> [@Microsoft](#): > > Privacy options control what your Kinect sees and hears, and if you don’t want it on, just say “Xbox off.” “XBox off?” I forsee much trolling in the future. > [@Microsoft](#): > > Every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection Since currently nobody owns one, I guess that’s a true statement, right? > [@Microsoft](#): > > game publishers \*\*can enable \*\*you to trade in your games at \*\*participating \*\*retailers. Bolding mine - ooookay, that’s an interestingly layered comment there. Did they hire the guy who came up with Geiko’s “up to 15% or more” non-informational slogan? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-xbox/658947.md?page=9)