# The New York Times seems to have allowed a falsified editorial accusing the IDF of killing children to be published **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 15, 2024, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815 "2024-10-15T03:18:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/1 "2024-10-15T03:18:40Z")
> **[Opinion | 65 Doctors, Nurses and Paramedics: What We Saw in Gaza](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/09/opinion/gaza-doctor-interviews.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RU4.aKAi.2JuzZxYawEZ-&smid=url-share)** > > “Nearly every day I was there, I saw a new young child who had been shot in the head or the chest, virtually all of whom went on to die.” > **[New York Times Guest Essay Shredded Online After Claiming IDF Targets Gazan...](https://honestreporting.com/new-york-times-guest-essay-shredded-online-after-claiming-idf-targets-gazan-children/)** > > The New York Times opinion essay “65 Doctors, Nurses and Paramedics: What We Saw in Gaza” from October 9 blew up over the weekend, as weapons and forensic There really needs to be an investigation into whether the New York Times allowed an article full of false propaganda to be published. The issue needs to be investigated further, and hopefully the NYT faces some consequences for this if it turns out this is an article full of lies. I expect this kind of disinformation and propaganda on tiktok, but not from the New York Times. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/2 "2024-10-15T03:27:43Z")
You forgot to mention that “HonestReporting” is an Israeli media advocacy group, or that _all_ of their headlines tout the idea that Israel is being badly maligned. It is not a news organization and, to my knowledge, does not follow journalistic ethics to any degree. And now you know the _rest_ of the story. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/3 "2024-10-15T03:47:46Z")
So is there any criticism of the veracity of the article from any trustworthy sources? A quick Google did not turn up any. Though given the standard of Google as a search engine I would not find it too surprising that it didn’t (not that Google is biased one way or the other in this conflicts but in a case like this where there is widely distributed popular article, trying to find something that is not a copy of the article, but a less popular or widely distributed criticism of the article it is next to useless) ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/4 "2024-10-15T03:56:53Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > So is there any criticism of the veracity of the article from any trustworthy sources? A quick Google did not turn up any. Though given the standard of Google as a search engine I would not find it too surprising that it didn’t (not that Google is biased one way or the other in this conflicts but in a case like this where there is widely distributed popular article, trying to find something that is not a copy of the article, but a less popular or widely distributed criticism of the article it is next to useless) I don’t know yet. The article was just posted on October 9th. There needs to be more investigation to see if the article is dishonest. Right now it just seems like individual forensic experts, physicians, etc are saying the photos do not match real world examples of shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/5 "2024-10-15T03:59:25Z")
I don’t think The New York Times used quotes from random folk on “X” for some of their expert opinions. BTW, should there be recriminations against “HonestReporting” if it turns out that they are in the wrong? I don’t I see that in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/6 "2024-10-15T04:02:57Z")
Maybe your title should start out “One very biased advocacy group claims…”? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/7 "2024-10-15T04:05:19Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > There really needs to be an investigation into whether the New York Times allowed an article full of false propaganda to be published. Really? First, investigated by who exactly? Also, what article? It’s clearly states it’s an opinion piece! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/8 "2024-10-15T04:06:37Z")
Did he actually think we wouldn’t follow those links he provided? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/9 "2024-10-15T04:08:09Z")
I found the big blue word “Opinion” in the first link to be enough. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/10 "2024-10-15T04:12:00Z")
In that same post he called it an “article” twice, and blamed the NYT for having " this kind of disinformation and propaganda". ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/11 "2024-10-15T04:47:20Z")
Why am I certain the OP would not have the same ire if the NYT published opinion pieces that repeated the ‘decapitated babies’ lies? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/12 "2024-10-15T06:55:11Z")
This thread is sort of like a glitter bomb going off in their face as someone is trying to build it. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/13 "2024-10-15T08:17:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Maybe your title should start out “One very biased advocacy group claims…”? Is there such a thing as a non-biased advocacy group? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/14 "2024-10-15T09:09:16Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Is there such a thing as a non-biased advocacy group? One that’s in the right\*, _and_ trying to be unbiased? Humans aren’t really capable of being unbiased, so “as unbiased as can be reasonably expected” is the best we can hope for if we don’t want to retire the word. - Because if they are _wrong_ then bias is required for them to function at all ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/15 "2024-10-15T09:17:22Z")
I don’t have any reasonable expectation from any advocacy group to be unbiased - that would be like accusing a lawyer (or “advocate”) of being biased in favor of their client. The whole purpose of an advocacy group is to be biased in favor of the cause they support, and they’re nothing wrong with that, unless you’re claiming that “bias” is just another word for “dishonesty.” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/16 "2024-10-15T09:23:28Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > The whole purpose of an advocacy group is to be biased in favor of the cause they support, and they’re nothing wrong with that, unless you’re claiming that “bias” is just another word for “dishonesty.” Bias is either dishonesty or error, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/17 "2024-10-15T09:30:26Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Bias is either dishonesty or error, yes. I don’t agree - I think it just means lack of objectivity. It’s dishonest when held by somebody who is supposed to be objective (like mainstream media or the justice system), and lying is always bad, obviously, but there’s nothing wrong with bias in and of itself. Of course, in my case, the things _I_ believe in are objectively true, while those who disagree with me are biased. That goes without saying. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/18 "2024-10-15T09:35:07Z")
I used to think my local paper ran some skewed articles`but they’re not the NYT that covers the world. Those editors have to be on point for sure. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/19 "2024-10-15T11:13:14Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > There really needs to be an investigation … Carried out by whom? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815/20 "2024-10-15T11:17:57Z")
Why Faux News of course. They’d be perfect for such investigations. /s [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-york-times-seems-to-have-allowed-a-falsified-editorial-accusing-the-idf-of-killing-children-to-be-published/1008815.md?page=2)