# The Newtown shooting was really really bad... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 8, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825 "2013-12-08T16:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/181 "2013-12-13T15:30:44Z")
I bet you fucking _hate_ soccer, huh **Kable**? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/182 "2013-12-13T15:49:43Z")
Accusing me of non-sequiturs? That takes the fucking cake. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/183 "2013-12-13T15:51:49Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I bet you fucking _hate_ soccer, huh **Kable**? It’s OK I guess. Why do you ask? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/184 "2013-12-13T15:53:08Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Accusing me of non-sequiturs? That takes the fucking cake. Let me ask you again, what percent of gun owners do you think shoot themselves? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/185 "2013-12-13T15:54:48Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Your countries gun laws are a lot less free than mine. I think that was **Bryan’s** point. The gun laws are less free, yet Canada remains a free country. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/186 "2013-12-13T15:57:42Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Let me ask you again, what percent of gun owners do you think shoot themselves? What percentage of self-shooters use someone else’s gun? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/187 "2013-12-13T16:12:37Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Your countries gun laws are a lot less free than mine. Don’t think so, try buying an 20 round rifle magazine. Oh wait, it’s on the list of things you are not free to own. So sorry, just pretend you wouldn’t want one. It’s pathetic that you measure freedom by what kind of access to weapons you are legally permitted to have. Is there anything more to you **Kable** , or is living in constant fear masquerading as bravado all you have? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/188 "2013-12-13T16:29:06Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Like this hot? [Temperature in Canada - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_in_Canada) > > I’m sure that feels hot to you, cause that’s what your used to. Well, I suppose to someone who lives in the tropics, a summertime high in the mid-nineties might seem trivial. Of course, I chuckle a bit when I see Texans paralyzed by a half-inch of snow. That wouldn’t get school cancelled around these parts. > [@](#): > > Sort of like how all your firearms restrictions feel free to you. You know little else. Well, we know what lack of restrictions is doing to _you_, freeing you to fatally shoot each other at a rate seven or eight times higher than us. Wave the blood-stained flag of freedom! > [@](#): > > And what’s to know about Canada? Historically, isn’t your country sort of inconsequential? Hah, your ignorance is funny in its predictability, as is your pathetic effort at trollery. Go read some Calvin and Hobbes, if you can follow it. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/189 "2013-12-13T16:30:50Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I think that was **Bryan’s** point. The gun laws are less free, yet Canada remains a free country. Less free than if the gun laws were more free. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/190 "2013-12-13T16:32:15Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What percentage of self-shooters use someone else’s gun? Not sure, but Jack seems to think a large percentage of shooter shoot themselves, such that I’m at high risk. But personal risks are really pretty low are they not? He knows that, and that’s why he’s playing dumb and trying to change the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/191 "2013-12-13T16:36:42Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > It’s pathetic that you measure freedom by what kind of access to weapons you are legally permitted to have. It’s just one measure, and seems to be the current topic. > [@](#): > > Is there anything more to you **Kable** , or is living in constant fear masquerading as bravado all you have? Oh, I like lots of other stuff. Even reading philosophy you simpleton, just ask Brainglutton. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/192 "2013-12-13T16:37:15Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Less free than if the gun laws were more free. Apparently not. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/193 "2013-12-13T16:40:48Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Of course, I chuckle a bit when I see Texans paralyzed by a half-inch of snow. That wouldn’t get school cancelled around these parts. You bullshitting again? > [@](#): > > Well, we know what lack of restrictions is doing to _you_, freeing you to fatally shoot each other at a rate seven or eight times higher than us. Wave the blood-stained flag of freedom! Well you know what they say. Those who would take security over liberty deserve neither. > [@](#): > > Hah, your ignorance is funny in its predictability, as is your pathetic effort at trollery. Go read some Calvin and Hobbes, if you can follow it. Calvin and Hobbes really the best you got? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/194 "2013-12-13T16:44:52Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Apparently not. Come on it’s not that hard. He wants to buy something and his government tell him he can’t. His freedom is limited. It’s not rocket science. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/195 "2013-12-13T16:54:54Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Come on it’s not that hard. He wants to buy something and his government tell him he can’t. His freedom is limited. It’s not rocket science. Your brain function is limited. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/196 "2013-12-13T17:01:11Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Your brain function is limited. Your projecting. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/197 "2013-12-13T17:02:31Z")
Says the guy who missed Apostrophe Day in high school. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/198 "2013-12-13T17:05:18Z")
I doubt he attended high school. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/199 "2013-12-13T17:10:17Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Come on it’s not that hard. He wants to buy something and his government tell him he can’t. His freedom is limited. It’s not rocket science. But that’s just one thing and ya gotta look at the big picture: Canada is a freer country than the U.S. overall, [outranking us on the Democracy Index](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_index). (And ranking equally on the [Index of Economic Freedom](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom).) Apparently, the freedom to bear arms is not nearly as important as you think it is; other freedoms do not **depend** on it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/200 "2013-12-13T17:39:28Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Less free than if the gun laws were more free. Less free also if we had American-style restrictions on abortion and gay marriage. These freedoms actually offer benefits, as opposed to just greater opportunity to kill each other. [smug superior happy dance] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825.md?page=11)