# The Newtown shooting was really really bad... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 8, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825 "2013-12-08T16:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/61 "2013-12-09T23:21:42Z")
In response to **Jack Batty** again - another thing that I am prohibited from doing is purchase a firearm without having to wait 10 days to receive it. It’s nonsensical that no matter how many firearms I legally own, if I wish to purchase another I have to wait 10 days to take possession. Luckily, this may soon change as a federal district judge has just ruled that this is potentially unconstitutional when he [denied a motion for summary judgment.](http://www.volokh.com/2013/12/09/10-day-gun-waiting-period-potentially-unconstitutional/) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/62 "2013-12-10T00:27:29Z")
Cry me a fucking river. You want to talk about first world problems, Bubba can’t get the toy he wants. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/63 "2013-12-10T00:33:18Z")
It sounds to me that people like \*\*Bone \*\*and \*\*Kable \*\*don’t want one single restriction on any weapon or ammo, and no one should haven any business whatsoever taking account of how many dangerous weapons random assholes get to tote around … to the point that they threaten revolution against the evil government oppressors because they have to wait 10 whole days to get their penis-pumps, and they can’t get the toy they want in two tones. Guess what. This is a society that we live in that has a responsibility to its citizens. And part of that responsibility doesn’t include, “do whatever you want; don’t worry, we’ll just clean up the mess afterward and carry on.” Yes. It pisses me off. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/64 "2013-12-10T01:53:51Z")
It’s difficult, apparently, for anyone to think clearly in the wake of a momentous tragedy. That’s why, if an immediate groan of “oh no, here they come fer mah boomsticks agin” ought to be regarded as jaded and offensive, something similar can be said of the inevitable rush to pass new legislation while it’s possible to engage viscerally with people’s outraged emotions rather than their reason. The difficulty is that one of these two impulses is at a very strong disadvantage for reasons unrelated to what policies or lack of policies might actually save lives. That outraged reaction is incredibly strong; and its source in a very natural and primal urge to protect our children makes it possible to characterize objections to its impetus as socially twisted without the necessity of demonstrating factual inaccuracy or logical flaws. Not that I’d exactly _defend_ **Kable** , but I think he was more guilty of a faux pas than of actually being a psychopath whose only concern about the Newtown shooting was how it might affect his gun rights. That’s not a reasonable thing to assume about a person, however angry their message board posts might sound from time to time. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/65 "2013-12-10T01:55:36Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > It sounds to me that people like \*\*Bone \*\*and \*\*Kable \*\*don’t want one single restriction on any weapon or ammo, and no one should haven any business whatsoever taking account of how many dangerous weapons random assholes get to tote around … We can only shoot one at a time, I suppose two max, so why should you care? > [@](#): > > to the point that they threaten revolution against the evil government oppressors because they have to wait 10 whole days to get their penis-pumps I thought evidence suggested the liberals were lacking in testosterone. > [@](#): > > Guess what. This is a society that we live in that has a responsibility to its citizens. And part of that responsibility doesn’t include, “do whatever you want; don’t worry, we’ll just clean up the mess afterward and carry on.” Right, it’s do whatever you want so long as you don’t hurt other people. Law abiding citizens like myself don’t go around hurting others. > [@](#): > > Yes. It pisses me off. So what are you going to do about it? Try for another gun ban? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/66 "2013-12-10T02:21:49Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Or maybe I’m of the opinion that the American gun fetish is intellectually deficient. And maybe I’m equally disgusted with the right’s penchant to fellate guns at every opportunity as I am with the left’s impotence to lead (morally and politically) on the subject of effective gun control. Well, opinions are like assholes, everyone’s got one. Here’s mine [District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller) Mine has the weight of law behind it. How about you? It says that I have an individual right to bear arms. You don’t like it, then get two third of each house or 3/4 of the states or call a constitutional convention and rewrite the whole damn thing. But be wary of fixing what ain’t really broke. > [@Bone](#): > > In addition, there has also been recent legislation that would make all ammo purchase subject to background checks, prohibit 100% of mail order ammunition, and make illegal any center fire rifle that can accept a magazine illegal. This legislation actually passed both houses in the State and were vetoed. That means that these ideas that were all pushed recently in response to Newtown could have been made into law had our Democratic governor not vetoed them. The concern that restrictive laws are right around the corner and what is necessary to defeat them is constant and persistent vigilance is not unrealistic. A lot of these will slowly melt away as the impact of Heller ripples through the legal system. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Guess what. This is a society that we live in that has a responsibility to its citizens. And part of that responsibility doesn’t include, “do whatever you want; don’t worry, we’ll just clean up the mess afterward and carry on.” That’s right we are a nation of laws. And the highest of those laws is the constitution of the USA. Not the bible. Not the Democratic party platform. The constitution. And once the supreme court said that everyone can have a handgun, all the ideas about curbing gun violence by restricting access to firearms became pretty pointless. So you eat away at the edges and pretend that you are making a difference and spend precious little time focusing on things that can actually reduce gun violence. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/67 "2013-12-10T03:05:02Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I thought evidence suggested the liberals were lacking in testosterone. Do we all dress in our mom’s underwear when no one’s looking too? I shouldn’t be that harsh on you though. To be fair, most of your thoughts are retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/68 "2013-12-10T03:37:35Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Do we all dress in our mom’s underwear when no one’s looking too? Do you? > [@](#): > > I shouldn’t be that harsh on you though. To be fair, most of your thoughts are retarded. No they aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/69 "2013-12-10T03:51:29Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Cry me a fucking river. You want to talk about first world problems, Bubba can’t get the toy he wants. You asked a question, and when given a real answer, this is your response? This tells the reader all they need to know about the validity of your opinion. I know why most of the discussion about guns is in the Pit, though once in a while it’d be nice to have an actually coherent argument rather than frothing at the mouth you’ve exhibited. But if that’s what you enjoy, please continue making yourself look silly. > [@](#): > > It sounds to me that people like Bone and Kable don’t want one single restriction on any weapon or ammo, and no one should haven any business whatsoever taking account of how many dangerous weapons random assholes get to tote around If this is what you got from my post, the one answering a question you posed, then you are fucktarded. But please enlighten me, just because I’d like to be amused - what restrictions on weapons or ammo do you think are a good idea? And if implemented, what would be the efficaciousness? Go ahead, be my clown. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/70 "2013-12-10T03:58:40Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > A lot of these will slowly melt away as the impact of Heller ripples through the legal system. I’m skeptical. The current SCOTUS line up seems reluctant to take on more gun cases. And at the federal appellate level, rulings have been a mixed bag. Sure the 7th circuit is a win, but the 2nd circuit is a loss. Each and every law will need to be litigated and it takes quite a bit of time. These aren’t old laws that need to get struck, we’re talking new laws every session. Even if some of them were to be widdled away, more crop up like roaches. Think of the SAFE law in NY. We’ll see - I’ll continue to advocate and donate. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/71 "2013-12-10T04:15:14Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > In response to **Jack Batty** again - another thing that I am prohibited from doing is purchase a firearm without having to wait 10 days to receive it. Ten days? But I’m mad NOW! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/72 "2013-12-10T04:33:29Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Ten days? But I’m mad NOW! :rolleyes: Fortunately this woman was able to get a gun within 10 days. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/_NJQK2BscIg/hqdefault.jpg "Woman With Shotgun Kills Rapist in Self-Defense (MO)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NJQK2BscIg) ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/73 "2013-12-10T04:56:30Z")
Is it fortunate that [this guy](http://www.google.com/search?q=navy+shipyard+shooting&client=ms-android-verizon&hl=en&source=android-browser-type&v=200400000&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=4p2mUvT4M8jMsAT76oGQAg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAA&biw=640&bih=335) could buy one on the spot? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/74 "2013-12-10T14:11:54Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Well, opinions are like assholes, everyone’s got one. Here’s mine [District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller) Mine has the weight of law behind it. How about you? > > It says that I have an individual right to bear arms. > > You don’t like it, then get two third of each house or 3/4 of the states or call a constitutional convention and rewrite the whole damn thing. But be wary of fixing what ain’t really broke. > > That’s right we are a nation of laws. And the highest of those laws is the constitution of the USA. Not the bible. Not the Democratic party platform. The constitution. And once the supreme court said that everyone can have a handgun, all the ideas about curbing gun violence by restricting access to firearms became pretty pointless. So you eat away at the edges and pretend that you are making a difference and spend precious little time focusing on things that can actually reduce gun violence. I’m shocked. Shocked, I tells ya! Never in a million years did I expect anyone to trot out this predictable defense. Laws, you say? Laws written by men with little to no ability to see past their own lifespan, let alone hundreds of years into the future? I must return to my lab and devise a better argument. No. Wait. Fuck the second amendment. That’s my argument. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/75 "2013-12-10T14:49:43Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Is it fortunate that [this guy](http://www.google.com/search?q=navy+shipyard+shooting&client=ms-android-verizon&hl=en&source=android-browser-type&v=200400000&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=4p2mUvT4M8jMsAT76oGQAg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAA&biw=640&bih=335) could buy one on the spot? Doens’t really matter what hoops you put there. If a guy what’s too, he’ll jump through them all. Like this guy: > **[2011 Norway attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks)** > > The 2011 Norway attacks, also called 22 July (Norwegian: 22. juli) or 22/7 in Norway, were two domestic terrorist attacks by far-right extremist Anders Behring Breivik against the government, the civilian population, and a Workers' Youth League (AUF) summer camp, in which a total of 77 people were killed. > The first attack was a car bomb explosion in Oslo within Regjeringskvartalet, the executive government quarter of Norway, at 15:25:22 (CEST). The bomb was placed inside a van next to the tow... ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/76 "2013-12-10T14:50:43Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > No. Wait. Fuck the second amendment. That’s my argument. There are lots of other countries you could live in that don’t have one. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/77 "2013-12-10T15:31:37Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > There are lots of other countries you could live in that don’t have one. If only we could think of examples in history where people who disagreed with some laws were invited to leave the country instead of being allowed to stay and argue against said laws. Hmmmm… let me think… ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/78 "2013-12-10T15:38:22Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > If only we could think of examples in history where people who disagreed with some laws were invited to leave the country instead of being allowed to stay and argue against said laws. Hmmmm… let me think… It’s only our second fucking amendment. Love it, leave it, or gripe. Just know the more you gripe, the more people think they need to purchase what you are griping about. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/79 "2013-12-10T15:50:41Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > It’s only our second fucking amendment. Love it, leave it, or gripe. Just know the more you gripe, the more people think they need to purchase what you are griping about. Right. Because the rational and mature response to, “Let’s have less guns”, is to hoard more guns. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825/80 "2013-12-10T16:04:16Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Right. Because the rational and mature response to, “Let’s have less guns”, is to hoard more guns. Right, that’s how we shove your idea up your ass, with a cherry on top. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-newtown-shooting-was-really-really-bad/675825.md?page=5)