# The next page in the book of AI evolution is here, powered by GPT 3.5, and I am very, nay, extremely impressed **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** ai\ **Created:** [December 2, 2022, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945 "2022-12-02T22:54:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1101 "2023-03-17T16:45:03Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > What decision making process exists in the lump of flesh inside your skull? Don’t know, I’m a computer guy ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1102 "2023-03-17T16:51:37Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Don’t know, I’m a computer guy So how do you know that neurons aren’t also adding machines just like circuit boards…? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1103 "2023-03-17T17:10:34Z")
Because Half Man Half Wit has argued that issue. Brains are not computational. If you propose to counter my argument then please explain what decision making component exists within a digital computer besides the adder. Where else might awareness exist? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1104 "2023-03-17T17:12:53Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Intelligence is an emergent property. If that is possible then I will concur. How would intelligence emerge as a property of a digital full adder? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1105 "2023-03-17T17:22:30Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > If you propose to counter my argument then please explain what decision making component exists within a digital computer besides the adder. Where else might awareness exist? The adder is the substrate, awareness would be an emergent property of the processes going on within the neural network. Your question is silly - it’s like me asking you whoch specific chemical reaction drives conciousness. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1106 "2023-03-17T17:29:57Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > awareness would be an emergent property of the processes going on within the neural network. No it’s not. The neural network is a software construct. It does not physically exist. Also the neural network is static. It is not in learning mode. Not silly at all. I’m just asking that you substantiate your posts claim that awareness can be sustained by some static numbers in a semiconductor memory. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1107 "2023-03-17T17:33:14Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > No it’s not. The neural network is a software construct And your conciousness is a ‘wetware’ construct. > [@Crane](#): > > It does not physically exist. Neither does your conciousness. > [@Crane](#): > > Also the neural network is static. It is not in learning mode. That is completely irrelevant. If that’s your only objection, than ChatGPT on the website may not be aware, but ChatGPT at OpenAI HQ on a test server could be. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1108 "2023-03-17T17:40:30Z")
Your post is not helpful. My consciousness has nothing to do with your argument. Well no. A sever is still just software. No server is large enough to support GPT learning. In any case how does anything in the post support your position that awareness can be supported by digital computers. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1109 "2023-03-17T17:55:07Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > My consciousness has nothing to do with your argument. One by one, I remove your neurons and replace them with a tiny self-contained circuit board containing an FPGA or something and all the digital to analog converters needed to convert the digital software running on the FPGA to the neural electrical and neurochemical activity of the replaced neuron. The software is relatively simple and just deals with outputs based on inputs. Eventually I replace all your neurons. You are now 100% running on digital software. Have you lost consciousness? intelligence? What if I only replaced half your neurons… ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1110 "2023-03-17T18:42:48Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > What if I only replaced half your neurons… If you could successfully replace one neuron with an FPGA you’d get a Nobel Prize. Interesting hypothetical but FPGAs don’t even come close enough to start. I’ve considered trying some basic ideas with small microprocessors that have A/D and D/A capability. A 4x4 array with an LCD color display. Might be an interesting science fair project for my great grandchildren. Computational consciousness has not been demonstrated and I am not arguing against it’s possibility. Open field have at it. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1111 "2023-03-17T18:45:19Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Computational consciousness has not been demonstrated I agree. > [@Crane](#): > > I am not arguing against it’s possibility. OK. I thought you were. ---
**Author:** ![Dorjan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dorjan/32/12440_2.png) [@Dorjan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorjan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1112 "2023-03-17T18:49:40Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Computational consciousness has not been demonstrated and I am not arguing against it’s possibility. Open field have at it. That doesn’t seem to be what you were saying earlier: > [@Crane](#): > > Can a machine mimic human intelligence? The answer is yes. In fact it can appear to be hyper-intelligent. But it will never be conscious, or aware or comprehend what it is doing. There is nothing in a computer that would allow it to do so. At any given instant there is a number in the adder. Everything else is static. There is nothing in the computer that would allow it to be aware. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1113 "2023-03-17T18:49:48Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > OK. I thought you were. I am arguing that you won’t achieve it with present computer architectures. I’d welcome someone proposing a computational architecture that would support consciousness. That would make an interesting thread. That would be a viable counter argument to mine. To be clear: human consciousness is not computational. That does not preclude the possibility of some system being conscious. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1114 "2023-03-17T18:55:46Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > I am arguing that you won’t achieve it with present computer architectures. But your only arguments about my replace your neurons idea seemed to be difficulty and scale. There are adders involved, which seemed to be a sticking point? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1115 "2023-03-17T18:59:37Z")
I did not want to be discourteous. I have made my position clear. But, you may have an argument for emergent intelligence in an adder. I don’t believe such an argument exists, but I am eager to hear it if one does. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1116 "2023-03-17T19:02:07Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > I have made my position clear. I’m not sure you have. You seem to be making a religious argument that there is something special about human meat, but also claim you don’t know enough about it to point to what that something special is. I’m terrible at arguing religious arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1117 "2023-03-17T19:06:10Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > But your only arguments about my replace your neurons idea seemed to be difficulty and scale. There are adders involved, which seemed to be a sticking point? My objection was that the technology does not currently exist to model neurons with FPGAs. My statement is not exactly true because a hobbyist could kluge something together that would be neuron like. But, I could also simulate a neuron with a mouse trap. I don’t see how that is relevant to the discussion of intelligence being an emergent property of adders. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1118 "2023-03-17T19:13:47Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > I’m not sure you have. You seem to be making a religious argument that there is something special about human meat, My argument has been about the nature of digital computers and the fact that their simulations do not intrinsically possess the properties exhibited by brains. They are not related. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1119 "2023-03-17T19:16:06Z")
Thanks for the discussion. I must break off for mundane tasks like cleaning the cat box and doing the shopping. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-page-in-the-book-of-ai-evolution-is-here-powered-by-gpt-3-5-and-i-am-very-nay-extremely-impressed/975945/1120 "2023-03-17T19:17:28Z")
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