# The Night Of (new HBO show) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 11, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622 "2016-07-11T02:02:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/21 "2016-07-15T19:04:27Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > I lean towards the “guilty but handled incorrectly” angle - the contents of his coat pocket is kinda hard to explain away, but how would he not notice that after sitting there for a couple of hours? > [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > He did notice it but had no way to get rid of it. I assume they don’t have garbage cans in the waiting area. I thought he would ask to go to the bathroom and drop the knife somewhere. He’s the one who put it in his jacket. It’s the knife he stabbed her hand with playing their stupid game, which he picked up and took with him when he left the apartment. At first he just put it on the dashboard of his cab, but after the motorcycle guy pulled up next to him at the light and looked over at him he got paranoid and put it in his jacket. At least, that was my interpretation. I suppose it isn’t inconceivable that it’s a different knife, and the one from the dashboard is stuffed under the seat. (We didn’t see him put it in his jacket.) But that would be a weird misdirect. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/22 "2016-07-15T19:43:29Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > He’s the one who put it in his jacket. It’s the knife he stabbed her hand with playing their stupid game, which he picked up and took with him when he left the apartment. At first he just put it on the dashboard of his cab, but after the motorcycle guy pulled up next to him at the light and looked over at him he got paranoid and put it in his jacket. > > At least, that was my interpretation. I suppose it isn’t inconceivable that it’s a different knife, and the one from the dashboard is stuffed under the seat. (We didn’t see him put it in his jacket.) But that would be a weird misdirect. I also believe it’s the same knife, that he smartly grabbed when leaving the apartment, but that he stupidly forgot about when he was pulled over. By that time, there was probably no way to ditch it anyway. I’m sure police cars and police stations are designed to make it very difficult to hide or trash things. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/23 "2016-07-15T20:25:38Z")
Oh, gotcha. I took “he noticed it” to imply that someone else planted it there. (Why would you “notice” something that you yourself did, you know?) ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/24 "2016-07-16T11:31:13Z")
Super interesting. Really loved it, though I found myself yelling at the kid several times in frustration at how stupid he was being. At the same time, his actions were still believable coming from a super sheltered, naive, scared kid. Turturro, was in this episode for 5 minutes, and yet he also manages to just completely suck me into his character. The man is a fantastic actor. But really, kids, don’t ever say anything to the cops or agree to do anything without a lawyer! Right now I’m not sure he didn’t do it, but, I don’t think he did, just because the guy had no blood on him, meanwhile the girl was utterly butchered. no way the killer isn’t covered in blood from head to toe. Also ended up staying up too late watching my first episode of Deadwood. Wow. The cast, the setting, the characters. How have I never watched this?! Heard it was cancelled well before it’s time, I hope I’m not in for a disappointing cliff-hanger ending… ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/25 "2016-07-16T17:38:48Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Also ended up staying up too late watching my first episode of Deadwood. Wow. The cast, the setting, the characters. How have I never watched this?! Heard it was cancelled well before it’s time, I hope I’m not in for a disappointing cliff-hanger ending… Deadwood is excellence of the highest order. It ended before its time because the creator (David Milch) got bored with it by the third season, and it showed. (Season 3 kind of meanders.) After season 3 he gave up on it entirely and put all of his energy into the execrable John From Cincinnati. But the first season is in the conversation for best single season of television ever produced, and season 2 is fantastic. Even though his heart wasn’t in it for season 3, season 3 is still pretty darn good. I don’t recall it ending on a cliffhanger, but even if it did, the story is actual American history so you can always just look up what happened next in the history books. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/26 "2016-07-18T15:06:59Z")
Anyone watch episode 2 yet? I took it to be a “reality” episode that basically depicts the grunginess of the system. The iron doors slamming shut constantly must be a sound that prisoners get used to hearing. The show does a great job in putting us in Naz’s shoes and allowing us to experience his anxieties and fears. It also did a great job in getting us all closer to each major character’s motivations, just leaving enough ambiguity to keep us asking questions. I was going to mention that I won’t spoil anything yet, but then realized that there really wasn’t anything to spoil. ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/27 "2016-07-18T15:34:04Z")
This episode felt even slower than the first, but I’m still enjoying it. Something was very strange about the stepfather and his ID of the dead girl’s body. The continued focus on the defense attorney’s foot eczema is getting weird too. Even if he’s not convicted, I think Naz is going to come out of Rikers Island a very different person. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/28 "2016-07-18T17:31:41Z")
Something I find interesting in a meta sense is the lawyer’s role. For my money, John Turturro is doing a phenomenal job; just fantastic. He totally owns the role and I love him in it. But at the same time, I think James Gandolfini would also have done a phenomenal job and been fantastic in it. Most of the time when you hear about “alternate” actors for roles, I either can’t picture them in it at all or think they’d be terrible compared to who actually played it. For example, I love Ed O’Neill in just about everything (I particularly liked [Dutch](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101786/?ref_=nv_sr_1) and also [Dragnet](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319987/?ref_=nv_sr_3), both\* almost solely because of O’Neill.) But I can’t for the life of me picture Ed O’Neill playing Al Swearengen in Deadwood, like David Milch originally planned. But I can totally picture Gandolfini as the lawyer, and think he would have been great, but it doesn’t detract from how much I like Turturro in the role, because he’s friggin’ great. \*Weird that both co-starred Ethan Embry. I wonder how many times that’s actually happened, where two actors costarred in two different projects where one of them was a child star in one but grown up in the other. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/29 "2016-07-18T17:36:26Z")
Is the 2nd episode streaming only? I looked last night on the DirecTV schedule and it showed it airing next weekend. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/30 "2016-07-18T17:42:04Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > Is the 2nd episode streaming only? I looked last night on the DirecTV schedule and it showed it airing next weekend. Nope, aired on my HBO last night. I watched it live. I’ve actually started watching HBO’s Sunday line-up live because they almost always run a minute or three longer than scheduled, so my DVR recordings cut them off. (Veep was the worst for this.) I can’t just set them to record an extra couple minutes because then they’d overlap. That’s not normally a problem, except on Sunday nights when every channel in the world airs their prestige programming: HBO, Showtime, AMC, now even Starz, plus my reality fixes like Big Brother and Naked and Afraid. Easiest is to just watch the HBO stuff live so I don’t have to worry about clipping off the very end of the episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/31 "2016-07-18T18:57:09Z")
HHmm, I thought it came on Sunday evening is why I searched for it - I tend to DVR anything I want to watch, anyway. The first episode re-aired numerous times, should be able to catch it easily enough. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/32 "2016-07-19T01:50:20Z")
By the way, I noticed Nick Turturro in a couple of scenes. I would expect an actor with his pedigree to have a bigger role than we’ve seen. Especially because his brother is a main character. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/33 "2016-07-19T03:13:22Z")
Really liking the noir-ish character of the show. The indifference and boredom of the police as badly mired in the system as the people they arrest is a nice touch. Tightly edited and directed, and very well acted. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/34 "2016-07-19T06:03:08Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Really liking the noir-ish character of the show. The indifference and boredom of the police as badly mired in the system as the people they arrest is a nice touch. Tightly edited and directed, and very well acted. Yeah, I had the same feeling. Great acting all around. I really like the fact that the DA (is the slightly balding, shortish-kinda overweight guy the DA?) is pretty sure Naz didn’t do it. Gotta feel sorry for the parents. And then the cops come and take every laptop int he house… I’m very much enjoying this show. It’s nice to have it since I gave up on _Preacher_. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/35 "2016-07-19T06:15:15Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Great acting all around. I really like the fact that the DA (is the slightly balding, shortish-kinda overweight guy the DA?) is pretty sure Naz didn’t do it. That sounds like Detective Box, the lead investigator. The DA is the woman who grilled Box: “Is he guilty? You blinked. How am I going to lose this case?” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/36 "2016-07-19T16:59:04Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > That sounds like Detective Box, the lead investigator. > > The DA is the woman who grilled Box: “Is he guilty? You blinked. How am I going to lose this case?” Ah, yes. Thanks!! ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/37 "2016-07-19T18:29:06Z")
God damn the horror that is facing jail. Well, the non jew crime jail. 😛 The power that this grinding system has over you, it’s ready to take you in and spit you out. The reminder that it’s not about the truth, but about what song and dance story a jury is more likely to believe. The whole episode was terrifying. What do you guys think of the step father? Came off creepy as hell. Dude had access to the house too, probably. He’s on the top of my “did it” list now. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/38 "2016-07-20T16:14:24Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > G > What do you guys think of the step father? Came off creepy as hell. Dude had access to the house too, probably. He’s on the top of my “did it” list now. He would seem too obvious, just because they portrayed him as extra creepy. They seemed to skip right by him claiming the girl in the pics wasn’t her, then oh yeah, it’s her. That seems like the sort of thing that would get the attention of the cops. Too focused on Naz? Shocked and grieving to the point he can’t ID her? In the first episode, where Andrea and Naz were talking, he asked about her dad, she said something along the lines of him being nice or OK - but she didn’t say stepdad (I don’t think) and didn’t call him creepy. But dead mom leaves her an upper West Side brownstone, and he mentions living in Queens. Maybe he had an eye on “movin’ on up”? I won’t be surprised if it is him, but that whole exchange just seemed off to me, but not to the cops, evidently. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/39 "2016-07-21T17:09:30Z")
Can someone explain what happened in the scene between Turturro’s character and the transvestite from the cell? I watched it twice, and couldn’t figure out what went down. Money was exchanged, but I had no idea why. > [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > He would seem too obvious, just because they portrayed him as extra creepy. They seemed to skip right by him claiming the girl in the pics wasn’t her, then oh yeah, it’s her. That seems like the sort of thing that would get the attention of the cops. Too focused on Naz? Shocked and grieving to the point he can’t ID her? Seems like they’re setting up that the dead girl isn’t the person that they think she is. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622/40 "2016-07-21T18:00:58Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > He would seem too obvious, just because they portrayed him as extra creepy. They seemed to skip right by him claiming the girl in the pics wasn’t her, then oh yeah, it’s her. That seems like the sort of thing that would get the attention of the cops. Too focused on Naz? Shocked and grieving to the point he can’t ID her? > > In the first episode, where Andrea and Naz were talking, he asked about her dad, she said something along the lines of him being nice or OK - but she didn’t say stepdad (I don’t think) and didn’t call him creepy. But dead mom leaves her an upper West Side brownstone, and he mentions living in Queens. Maybe he had an eye on “movin’ on up”? > > I won’t be surprised if it is him, but that whole exchange just seemed off to me, but not to the cops, evidently. If they follow the CSI formula, it’s usually the 3rd person they introduce as a suspect who is IT. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-night-of-new-hbo-show/759622.md?page=3)