# The Nintendo Wii is the Celine Dion of this generation of consoles. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 29, 2008, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296 "2008-04-29T00:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/61 "2008-04-30T16:57:34Z")
Not for nothing, but Ghostbusters is coming out for the Wii. I’m quite anticipating it. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/62 "2008-04-30T17:11:57Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] Not for nothing, but Ghostbusters is coming out for the Wii. I’m quite anticipating it. [/QUOTE] Brilliant! I was just remarking to a friend yesterday that a Ghostbusters game would be perfect for the Wii. Now we just need that Lucasarts Star Wars game. ---
**Author:** ![Kalibakthegreat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@Kalibakthegreat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalibakthegreat)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/63 "2008-04-30T17:18:10Z")
[QUOTE=Autumn Almanac] **Kalibak** , I think a lot of your criticisms are valid, but what do you expect them to do with the Virtual Console? Release every desirable game all at once, then let it languish forever without updates? Maintaining steady interest (and preventing fatigue) by releasing 1-3 games per week is a much better strategy. Nintendo is a business after all. (And I agree with **Justin** that the current VC library is an embarrassment of riches. I’d like to see you elaborate on your argument that the list of games he provided is a “joke.”) [/QUOTE] I do see your point, but I can’t help but feel that the major “most wanted” games - just going by games that go for bigger $$ on ebay, for example - are completely absent from the VC to date. **Nes** A Boy and his blob Shin Megami Tensei (keeping with bringing over the Famicom games!) Dragon Quest I-IV Ultima III and IV Faxanadu Tetris Double Dragon II-III Castlevania III Contra Metal Gear Final Fantasy Bionic Commando Golgo 13 Maniac Mansion Bubble Bobble Xenophobe Battletoads Lifeforce (and other gradius!) Baseball Stars Sweet Home (if you’re going to do famicom games, do the right ones!) Stryder **Sega Master System** Phantasy Star Ys **PC Engine** Y’s book I and II Cosmic Fantasy **SNES** Final Fantasy II and III Chrono Trigger Earthbound (SERIOUSLY, FOLKS) **Genesis** Phantasy Star IV Golden Axe series Shinobi and spinoffs Stryder **Sega CD** - it’s a no-brainer to have these releases, when they’re going to have turboduo releases. Snatcher Lunar, Lunar II **64** MOTHER III And those are simply the “must-haves, what are they thinking for not having these available!?” killer apps ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/64 "2008-04-30T17:26:41Z")
Yeah, Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, and any other Squaresoft games are never gonna happen. Squeenix would rather hang onto those so they can rerelease them themselves. ---
**Author:** ![ReuvenB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/65 "2008-04-30T17:28:39Z")
[QUOTE=Kalibakthegreat] **64** MOTHER III And those are simply the “must-haves, what are they thinking for not having these available!?” killer apps [/QUOTE] As a heads up, development never finished on Earthbound 64/Mother 3. Mother 3 for the GBA was released in Japan, and there’s a thriving, active, fan translation project (I won’t link to it here out of legal worries, but there’s a link to it from [starmen.net](http://starmen.net)). It’s unlikely that Mother I will see the light of day on the VC either, even though Nintendo already has a finished English version that was never released. ---
**Author:** ![Autumn\_Almanac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@Autumn\_Almanac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autumn_Almanac)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/66 "2008-04-30T17:28:43Z")
A lot of those are Square Enix games, and SE has already said that they’re not planning to allow their games to be released on the Virtual Console. That could change, but I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for a VC version of Chrono Trigger when they could release a DS port for $40 and it would sell. Some of the others are entries from series that have already seen VC release (Contra, Phantasy Star, Double Dragon, Castlevania) so we can pretty much assume that the rest of the series will make it eventually. I believe the Ys games have already been announced. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/67 "2008-04-30T17:41:02Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] Now we just need that Lucasarts Star Wars game. [/QUOTE] Star Wars The Force Unleashed (with exclusive Wii Lightsaber Vs mode) will be released on September 16. ---
**Author:** ![Kalibakthegreat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@Kalibakthegreat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalibakthegreat)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/68 "2008-04-30T17:58:53Z")
[QUOTE=XWalrus2] As a heads up, development never finished on Earthbound 64/Mother 3. Mother 3 for the GBA was released in Japan, and there’s a thriving, active, fan translation project (I won’t link to it here out of legal worries, but there’s a link to it from [starmen.net](http://starmen.net)). It’s unlikely that Mother I will see the light of day on the VC either, even though Nintendo already has a finished English version that was never released. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I know all of this. It was mostly wishful thinking. 😃 That fact that the big N has sat on their finished, translated _Mother_ for ~20 years is one of the stupidest things that has ever happened in the battle of business vs. art. At the very least they need to get _Earthbound_ out on the VC soon. ---
**Author:** ![Autumn\_Almanac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@Autumn\_Almanac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autumn_Almanac)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/69 "2008-04-30T18:04:45Z")
[QUOTE=Kalibakthegreat] That fact that the big N has sat on their finished, translated _Mother_ for ~20 years is one of the stupidest things that has ever happened in the battle of business vs. art. [/QUOTE] I’ll bet that it’s coming. We got Sin & Punishment on VC, and that game actually required additional localization work because the menus and such had never been translated into English. If a full localization of Mother is already done, it seems like a no-brainer. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/70 "2008-04-30T18:15:31Z")
I do wonder why Earthbound hasn’t made it to the VC yet. It seems like it’d be a natural thing to release all the Brawl-related games they possibly can. ---
**Author:** ![Kalibakthegreat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@Kalibakthegreat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalibakthegreat)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/71 "2008-04-30T18:15:37Z")
[QUOTE=Autumn Almanac] I’ll bet that it’s coming. We got Sin & Punishment on VC, and that game actually required additional localization work because the menus and such had never been translated into English. If a full localization of Mother is already done, it seems like a no-brainer. [/QUOTE] The fact that _Sin & Punishment_ actually got translated and came out is still so mindblowing to me that I have hope for Mother, Sweet Home, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Autumn\_Almanac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@Autumn\_Almanac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autumn_Almanac)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/72 "2008-04-30T18:26:05Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] It seems like it’d be a natural thing to release all the Brawl-related games they possibly can. [/QUOTE] That’s a good point. If Nintendo has been waiting for a time when Western awareness of the Earthbound characters was at a peak, that time is now. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/73 "2008-04-30T18:59:41Z")
Xenophobe was not, by any wild stretch of the imagination, a killer app. Coaster, hiptster belt-buckle, or substitute clay pigeon I’ll give you, but killer app, no. ---
**Author:** ![ReuvenB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/74 "2008-04-30T21:55:44Z")
[QUOTE=Kalibakthegreat] Yeah, I know all of this. It was mostly wishful thinking. 😃 That fact that the big N has sat on their finished, translated _Mother_ for ~20 years is one of the stupidest things that has ever happened in the battle of business vs. art. At the very least they need to get _Earthbound_ out on the VC soon. [/QUOTE] The reasons behind Mother not getting a US release are actually pretty well reasoned. Nintendo didn’t want to release a game for a system that was on its way out, and potentially take away from their new system’s release. I can see that happening. After all, they are a business, not a charity. If they don’t think that something will sell, they’re not obligated to risk money by offering it. In addition, the game is “out in the wild” on the internet, and so those who are truly dead set on playing it can do so to their heart’s content. Asking them to release Earthbound 64 is ridiculous. Do you really think that Shigesato Itoi is going to step in and finish a game that was never completed for an obsolete system whose story has already been told on a different system just so they can sell it for ~$10 a pop? That’s just dumb. For Mother 3 on the GBA, on the other hand, I can offer no defense of the lack of an official translation. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/75 "2008-04-30T22:06:30Z")
To be honest I could see them releasing Earth Bound/Mother I/Earthbound Zero on VC, Mother III I’m not too certain on (because they have to do a translation, also there’s no GBA section). Hopefully some day we can get it though. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/76 "2008-05-01T00:12:14Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] Brilliant! I was just remarking to a friend yesterday that a Ghostbusters game would be perfect for the Wii. Now we just need that Lucasarts Star Wars game. [/QUOTE] Well, someone’s mentioned Star Wars: Force Unleashed. The multiplayer duel mode is supposed to be awesome. But what you may not understand, Bosstone, is that Ghostbusters is Ghostbusters 3. Dan Ackroyd and Harold Ramis writing. Bill Murray, too. They even got Walter Peck and Janine. Basically, this is what they did during the writer’s strike. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/77 "2008-05-01T01:00:47Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] But what you may not understand, Bosstone, is that Ghostbusters is Ghostbusters 3. Dan Ackroyd and Harold Ramis writing. Bill Murray, too. They even got Walter Peck and Janine. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I did a little research on the game once I knew it existed. It looks like it’ll be a really high quality game, not some licensed drek put out there to please the kids. I doubt more than a handful of kids under 10 are all that familiar with the Ghostbusters anyway. This is for Ackroyd and us big kids. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/78 "2008-05-01T04:21:42Z")
[QUOTE=Least Original User Name Ever] When we went and bought Twilight Princess for the Wii, the lady behind the counter told us to not open it and play the Game Cube version first. Her son told her the Game Cube version was better. We told her we had no intention of getting the Game Cube version (after all, we bought it when we bought the console itself). I’ve also heard the same thing from a few different people. [/QUOTE] What makes the Gamecube version better? I would think that aiming with the Wiimote is enough to give that version the edge. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/79 "2008-05-01T04:46:42Z")
[QUOTE=Yookeroo] What makes the Gamecube version better? I would think that aiming with the Wiimote is enough to give that version the edge. [/QUOTE] I haven’t the faintest. That’s one of the reasons I’m putting it out there. ---
**Author:** ![Intravenus\_De\_Milo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Intravenus\_De\_Milo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intravenus_De_Milo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296/80 "2008-05-01T07:20:51Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > What makes the Gamecube version better? I would think that aiming with the Wiimote is enough to give that version the edge. One major difference is that, with the Wii port, the _entire game_ is a mirror image of the GC version. This is because, although Link is a left-handed character, Nintendo assumed that the majority of Wii users are right-handed, and thus flipped around the interface to match Link’s motion with the typical player using the Wiimote. Aside from fan complaints of “LINK IS RIGHT-HANDED IN THE WII VERSION OH NOES”, I’m not sure how the GC version would be significantly better than its Wii counterpart. FWIW, I thought the Wii port made great use of the Wiimote, especially WRT archery. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nintendo-wii-is-the-celine-dion-of-this-generation-of-consoles/447296.md?page=5)