# The NYC biker gang beat down **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 3, 2013, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236 "2013-10-03T01:14:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/181 "2013-10-09T17:23:09Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > Gloria Allred’s representing the guy in the hospital. She say s he was just trying to defuse the situation, that he’s the victim. When asked about his driving without a license and motorcycle permit, she says he wasn’t driving at the time he was hit, so that really doesn’t count.He’s a great guy who was only trying to help. > > StG It’s brutal the way he was run over, but it kind of looked to me that he was blocking the car from getting away. The end result proves the driver was right to flee. It was only the intervening of passers-by that saved his wife and baby from getting assaulted. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/182 "2013-10-09T17:23:45Z")
I don’t think the hospitalized guy was the guy who brake checked. The brake checker guy, [Christopher Cruz](http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/biker-sparked-suv-attack-doesn-feel-responsible-article-1.1478475), has been arrested. This hospitalized guy happened to be blocking the vehicle when Lien tried to escape. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/183 "2013-10-09T17:24:47Z")
I don’t think the human speed bump was the brake check fellow. The human speed bump was one of the people who mobbed the SUV when the brake check moron learned about reaction time and momentum. Immediately thereafter, the human speed bump learned about gravity, mass and acceleration. ---
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/184 "2013-10-09T17:36:26Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I don’t think the hospitalized guy was the guy who brake checked. The brake checker guy, [Christopher Cruz](http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/biker-sparked-suv-attack-doesn-feel-responsible-article-1.1478475), has been arrested. This hospitalized guy happened to be blocking the vehicle when Lien tried to escape. That first guy says he wasn’t even breaking. He was just trying to see where his friend was when he got hit. Yeah, the first thing they must teach in biker gang school is coming up with excuses. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/185 "2013-10-09T18:32:10Z")
At this point does anything the bikers say even matter? There seems to be hours of videos documenting their activities. ---
**Author:** ![2gigch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/2gigch1/32/3313_2.png) [@2gigch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2gigch1)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/186 "2013-10-09T21:18:49Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > I want. Do you have a brand or model recommendation? Sadly it is hard to find a good camera. I tried buying a camera that had both front and back cameras but all 4 I bought failed, several were returned. I have since bought another after doing a Google search for [Dash Cam Ratings](http://dashcamtalk.com/dash-cam-comparison/) I ended up with a decent camera. Well actually still waiting for it to arrive. The camera used in the story is actually a small Sony broadcast camera linked to a hard drive. It gives me a better picture but I have to remember to turn it on and wipe the hard drive every 4 hours. > [@levdrakon](#): > > So you are that news guy? Yup. "Tis me. No anonymity for me. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/187 "2013-10-09T21:32:27Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > I don’t think the human speed bump was the brake check fellow. The human speed bump was one of the people who mobbed the SUV when the brake check moron learned about reaction time and momentum. Immediately thereafter, the human speed bump learned about gravity, mass and acceleration. 12 years of eduction rolled up into a ball of metal and body parts. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/188 "2013-10-09T22:43:18Z")
No comment from the WH! ---
**Author:** ![Glazer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a88e57/32.png) [@Glazer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glazer)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/189 "2013-10-09T23:11:47Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > I want. Do you have a brand or model recommendation? > [@2gigch1](#): > > Sadly it is hard to find a good camera. I tried buying a camera that had both front and back cameras but all 4 I bought failed, several were returned. I have since bought another after doing a Google search for [Dash Cam Ratings](http://dashcamtalk.com/dash-cam-comparison/) I ended up with a decent camera. Well actually still waiting for it to arrive. > > The camera used in the story is actually a small Sony broadcast camera linked to a hard drive. It gives me a better picture but I have to remember to turn it on and wipe the hard drive every 4 hours. > > Yup. "Tis me. No anonymity for me. Fifth Gear (BBC) did a review of dash cams on their latest episode. Don’t know if the brands they reviewed are sold in the states but it should give some idea on features to look for. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/190 "2013-10-09T23:48:49Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > At this point does anything the bikers say even matter? There seems to be hours of videos documenting their activities. And in this frame I’m rescuing a child trapped in hot car. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/191 "2013-10-10T00:06:49Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > And in this frame I’m rescuing a child trapped in hot car. Actually, one of the stories I heard floating around was that the bikers were claiming that they thought the wife and/or the baby girl were being kidnapped and so they were trying to rescue them. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Glazer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a88e57/32.png) [@Glazer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glazer)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/192 "2013-10-10T00:37:24Z")
Sniff sniff. Ahh the smell of desperation. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/193 "2013-10-10T12:16:35Z")
[The biker gang had blocked the on ramp](http://youtu.be/uxKdDxta8rQ?t=4m45s) (to the right) which was what caused the SUV to stop the first time after running from the gang. You can see the biker thugs actually blocked traffic with their bikes, which is strange, how did they know in advance the SUV would take the off ramp? Because of the red biker thug, [the first to appear](http://youtu.be/uxKdDxta8rQ?t=1m10s) in the chase video. Red biker thug (rbt) is a major player, a real gangster. He is all about getting ahead of the prey, and blocking other cars to stop the family from escaping. Rbt doesn’t stop when the SUV does, [he flies ahead to stop the other cars](http://youtu.be/uxKdDxta8rQ?t=4m2s), to make sure the trapped family won’t escape again. You can see the SUV [lost a tire in this frame](http://youtu.be/uxKdDxta8rQ?t=6m27s), but you can see it rolling before that. Obviously it was the front left, as [this NBC video shows](http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/08/20870446-undercover-cop-seen-on-video-attacking-suv-is-charged?lite) a bare front left rim. So the SUV was riding on a bare front rim before it left the main highway. Even with the low quality, it’s an actual video of multiple crimes, and knowing one the gang was a cop, it’s so much horror. Still, I laughed at the [confusion of the horde](http://youtu.be/uxKdDxta8rQ?t=4m2s), most do not follow, they don’t know what is going on. One moment there is a hundred bikes on video, the next, a small group that follows the SUV off the highway. All the stopped bikers are all like, what the hell is going on? Why are those dudes getting off here? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/194 "2013-10-10T12:20:29Z")
If you haven’t seen the new video, it’s here. > **[Undercover NYPD Cop Arrested for Role in Assault on SUV Driver: Police](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/undercover-nypd-cop-window-smash-video-suv-biker-brawl/1986816/)** > > An NYPD officer who was on a deep undercover assignment when a violent fight erupted between a group of motorcyclists and a man driving a Range Rover in Manhattan has been arrested, police said. Det. Wojciech Braszczok, 32, turned himself in to... Says they arrested a cop. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/195 "2013-10-10T12:27:34Z")
Red biker thug didn’t miss out on the action however. Once he knew the SUV was trapped, he was right there in it. [![](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_photoblog600,f_auto,q_auto:best/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/131008-biker-combo.jpg) ](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_photoblog600,f_auto,q_auto:best/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/131008-biker-combo.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![MostlyUseless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@MostlyUseless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyUseless)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/196 "2013-10-10T14:40:13Z")
Years and years ago in Tucson, a guy tried to duplicate the running over a line of motorcycles outside of a biker bar named the Bashful Bandit with a large Ford 4X4. It didn’t work well, he got stuck and then got shot…many, many times. Looks good in movies, not so good in reality. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/197 "2013-10-10T14:54:01Z")
Well yeah, a line of large Harleys is going to require at least a Semi or a Hummer. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/198 "2013-10-10T16:47:06Z")
Well, forget the Urban Rover then. Turns out [Hyundai has us covered](http://walkingdeadchopshop.com/gallery.html#/recent). ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/199 "2013-10-10T18:41:22Z")
Those videos really piss me off. I’m just really fucking angry right now. Bunch of fucking savages. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/200 "2013-10-10T20:03:42Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > YES. They arrested the cop who not only didn’t do anything to stop the crime, but actually participated in the crime then lied about it. > > [Report: Undercover NYPD officer arrested for participating in SUV attack](http://news.yahoo.com/undercover-nypd-suv-biker-attack-193030746.html) > > Of course that is only because of the video evidence, if not for that the cops lies to cover his criminal behavior would’ve been taken at face value. Next time I’ll call a hippie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236.md?page=11)