# The NYC biker gang beat down **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 3, 2013, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236 "2013-10-03T01:14:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/21 "2013-10-03T14:51:58Z")
The wife in the SUV was interviewed for [this NY Post story: > [@](#): > > “Our plan last Sunday was to celebrate our wedding anniversary by having a nice family day out with our 2-year-old daughter,” Ng’s said in a statement released through the family’s lawyers. > “Unfortunately, instead, we were placed in grave danger by a mob of reckless and violent motorcyclists.” > Her hubby, she said, “was forced under the circumstances to take the actions that he did in order to protect the lives of our entire family” and should not be blamed for running over and injuring one of the bikers. > “We know in our hearts that we could not have done anything differently,” Ng said. > “Our fear for our lives was confirmed when the incident ended with the ruthless and brutal attack on my husband, me, and, most importantly, our 2-year-old child.” ]([Wife of biker bash victim: We were in grave danger](http://nypost.com/2013/10/03/wife-of-biker-victim-we-were-in-grave-danger/)) Check out how the story ends, tho: > [@](#): > > Incredibly, one of the bikers blamed Lien for the incident on Thursday. > “The driver was a maniac,” Jerome Davis told CNN. “He hit the first guy … the body was just underneath the truck.” > Davis said Lien didn’t appear scared, and maintained he should have remained at the scene after the initial confrontation. > He claimed he didn’t know who attacked Lien at the end of the chase. If you watch the longer video I linked to above, you can see the guy with the helmet-cam waving people onward, encouraging them to catch up to the SUV. Couldn’t they all be charged with conspiracy and possibly prosecuted under RICO statutes? ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/22 "2013-10-03T14:56:25Z")
Sounds like the injured biker has lawyered up with Gloria Allred. Good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/23 "2013-10-03T15:00:54Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > unfortunately, he apparently [seriously injured](http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2013/10/01/lawrence-motorcyclist-injured-nyc-jay-meezee/) one of the group. The only unfortunate thing about that is that the biker is still alive. ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/24 "2013-10-03T15:06:24Z")
Gun, in the car, and shooting every one of those stupid assholes who decides to try and break into my car for a sense of misplaced vengeance. Car \> Motorcycle. Get over it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/25 "2013-10-03T15:12:07Z")
> [@Sudden\_Kestrel](#): > > I’d have run them over, too. Reportedly they’re part of some group called “Hollywood Stunts” or something similar and they do this a lot. “Stuntz” with a “Z,” I believe, which should be an arrestable offense right there. Crankily, **VT** (also a long-time motorcyclist who loathes these sorts of jackasses with a passion) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/26 "2013-10-03T15:16:04Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > The only unfortunate thing about that is that the biker is still alive. [This Facebook page](https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-For-Jay-Meezee/411664345601619) was apparently set up by his family, and last I checked it was rather heavily weighted with comments similar to yours. ---
**Author:** ![ducati](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cc9497/32.png) [@ducati](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ducati)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/27 "2013-10-03T15:16:56Z")
As a motorcycle rider for over 30 years, this sickens me. If indeed the car hit, tapped, or bumped a bike or rider, then responsible adult behavior dictates 2 parties solve the problem or call the police. Guy in the car is at fault and wants to leave? Fine. Park a bike in front of him, step away, get his tag and call the cops. Jalopnik has followed this pretty well from the start, and [here’s the latest.](http://jalopnik.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-terrifying-suv-vs-1440131015) Also, they posted 7 other videos of their “shenanigans” on Youtube, then pulled them down, [but not before someone copied them.](http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the-footage-that-the-nyc-bikers-didnt-want-you-to-see-1435594427/1436603736/@orlove) I’d love to see some RICO action here, and all of them do 15 years each, minimum. There are just some people who don’t belong in society. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/28 "2013-10-03T15:19:54Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > The only unfortunate thing about that is that the biker is still alive. > [@levdrakon](#): > > I thought the quote was about biker incidences like this, rather than just this one incident. Just because these assholes are willing to take off at high speed doesn’t mean the cops should just let them. I don’t mean chasing them, that often gets innocents killed, but there must be something they can do besides, “oh well.” > > As a motorcyclist myself, I want these guys off the streets. Suggestions welcome. Ok then. This was not the only group. They were on the Eastside too at the same time. The NYPD were able to stop several groups. There were arrests, bike seizures and multiple citations. But when someone’s face is covered and no plate is visible I would like to know how you propose going after someone. They were able to get many. But unsurprisingly many on fast nimble motorcycles were able to get away. Speeding driver:“Officer why did you stop me? All the other cars were going the same speed!” Officer: “You ever go fishing?” Speeding driver: “Yes but I don’t see…” Officer: “Ever catch all of the fish?” ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/29 "2013-10-03T15:20:06Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > Nearly half of them are over forty which usually implies a modicum of common sense. Usually, but not necessarily … 😉 > [@](#): > > A second suspect — Allen Edwards, 42, of Queens — believed to be the man seen on video striking the Range Rover windows with his fists, surrendered to police on Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/30 "2013-10-03T15:34:29Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > I don’t have a cite for it - but I understand he WAS on the phone to 911 during the episode. > > When I look at the video, it seems apparent that something happened before the video started, something that the bikers were trying to get revenge for - the “hit a parked bike” allegation has come out in that sense. > > How true it is though, I don’t know… That part of the video is just not available. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/31 "2013-10-03T15:43:01Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Suggestions welcome. \ Gee whizzers, I think there is a difference between “not much we can do” and “we caught a bunch of them.” I guess there is something they can do, isn’t there? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/32 "2013-10-03T15:52:41Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Gee whizzers, I think there is a difference between “not much we can do” and “we caught a bunch of them.” I guess there is something they can do, isn’t there? I think you are confused by your own OP. In the article you posted the “can’t do much” quote you mention came from the blogger not the NYPD. Its your own OP I thought you read it. The NYPD got prior intelligence that this event was happening. They set up checkpoints around the city. They stopped many of them. Its in your linked article. But you then later say “I don’t mean chasing them, that often gets innocents killed, but there must be something they can do besides, “oh well.”” There was other things they can do and did. Which you helpfully provided the information for. However there probably isn’t a lot they can do about those involved in the SUV incident unless someone talks. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/33 "2013-10-03T15:55:12Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I think you are confused by your own OP. In the article you posted the “can’t do much” quote you mention came from the blogger not the NYPD. Its your own OP I thought you read it. > > The NYPD got prior intelligence that this event was happening. They set up checkpoints around the city. They stopped many of them. Its in your linked article. But you then later say “I don’t mean chasing them, that often gets innocents killed, but there must be something they can do besides, “oh well.”” There was other things they can do and did. Which you helpfully provided the information for. However there probably isn’t a lot they can do about those involved in the SUV incident unless someone talks. The info I had in the OP was that this apparently happens all the time and there is nothing much the cops can do about it. Later there is more info and the cops are rounding these guys up. Do you not have a sense of the passage of time? Maybe I got more information at a later time? Maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/34 "2013-10-03T16:03:46Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > The info I had in the OP was that this apparently happens all the time and there is nothing much the cops can do about it. Later there is more info and the cops are rounding these guys up. Do you not have a sense of the passage of time? Maybe I got more information at a later time? Maybe? Did the article in your first post change? Its possible but I see no indications that there was an update. ---
**Author:** ![Glazer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a88e57/32.png) [@Glazer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glazer)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/35 "2013-10-03T16:15:33Z")
The only mistake I saw the Driver make was in exiting the Interstate. No way you can escape bikes in city traffic. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/36 "2013-10-03T16:24:48Z")
> [@Glazer](#): > > The only mistake I saw the Driver make was in exiting the Interstate. No way you can escape bikes in city traffic. Apparently when they first surrounded him they slashed his tires so he couldn’t drive too far at highway speeds. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/37 "2013-10-03T16:32:53Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > Gun, in the car, and shooting every one of those stupid assholes who decides to try and break into my car for a sense of misplaced vengeance. > > Car \> Motorcycle. Get over it. With a small child strapped in, in the back seat? A gun owner who carries ought to expect his attackers to be at least as well armed, and a gun battle on the highway with bullets flying through the car would be a very bad idea, and even worse when trapped on a blocked surface street. > [@Loach](#): > > Did the article in your first post change? Its possible but I see no indications that there was an update. Yeah, this particular time they impounded a bunch of bikes. The blog also said there isn’t much they can do, which I took to mean that besides this one well-videoed incident, this happens all the time and there isn’t much they can do. So? ---
**Author:** ![Lukeinva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lukeinva/32/17872_2.png) [@Lukeinva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lukeinva)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/38 "2013-10-03T16:41:40Z")
Seems to me that each one of those bikers will eventually do something stupid that will cost them physically or mortally…karma tends to happen. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/39 "2013-10-03T16:45:49Z")
So, in the absence of a systematic police action… the solution is for the herd to thin itself over time? ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/40 "2013-10-03T16:46:33Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > With a small child strapped in, in the back seat? A gun owner who carries ought to expect his attackers to be at least as well armed, and a gun battle on the highway with bullets flying through the car would be a very bad idea, and even worse when trapped on a blocked surface street. Honestly, in that position, I can’t imagine any other response. Maybe hindsight shows it differently, but in the moment, an overwhelming show of force would be the only defense left. Instinct and fear would take over, and people would be dropping like flies. Nobody there was in a clear state of mind, and nobody can say that they would have acted in a different way if they were in the same emotional state as the car driver. Maybe they can say they wouldn’t have been so fearful, but that’s a different point. Me, if driven to that kind of fear for my life/family’s life, and I had a gun? assuming a 9 round clip, we’d have 4 dead bikers and one more at least injured. Two shots to center mass almost guarantees your continued safety. At least the video would be there to support your self defense claims. Without it, jailtime and murder charges would likely follow. But at least your family would be safe. Once the bikers started dropping, I can’t imagine that any more would continue to press on. And I don’t even like guns… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236.md?page=3)