# The NYC biker gang beat down **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 3, 2013, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236 "2013-10-03T01:14:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/141 "2013-10-08T15:31:58Z")
It’s bad enough what they did to the dad, but at least one guy was smashing in the mom’s window, trying to get access to her and the child. Bystanders started yelling at him to stop and leave them alone. That deserves castration, and I didn’t think I’d ever say that. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/142 "2013-10-08T15:35:57Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > "started chasing Mr. Lien when he went around it, knocking over someone’s bike. " > > I feel your anger. Dam right I’d feel angry too if some a\*\*\*\* in a car just drove over a bike because it was blocking his way. > > Is that the way you normally drive? You normally run into people that are blocking your way? You say to yourself “He has no right to block my way, so I’ll just run over him”? > > Then this criminal runs away. And when you try to park your bike in front of him, to prevent him from escaping justice, HE RUNS OVER A PERSON. That’s what you do too? You run over things in your car, then when people try to stop you, your run over them? > > I drive a car. I used to ride a push-bike. I used to be a pedestrian. I get angry on the road, and I’m not a very good driver. But by God I’ve never tried to drive away from an accident, and I’ve never deliberately run over someone, and when I go to my maker at least I won’t have that to explain. He didn’t drive away from an accident, he drove away from a gang of angry thugs. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/143 "2013-10-08T16:19:31Z")
How many bikers would it take to actually impede a range rover from a stopped position? Could he have put it in reverse and successfully plowed through more? Unfortunately this was not attempted. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/144 "2013-10-08T16:21:58Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > How many bikers would it take to actually impede a range rover from a stopped position? Could he have put it in reverse and successfully plowed through more? Unfortunately this was not attempted. Mr Owl: Let’s find out. 1…2…3…crunch! ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/145 "2013-10-08T16:59:36Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > Then this criminal runs away. And when you try to park your bike in front of him, to prevent him from escaping justice, HE RUNS OVER A PERSON. That’s what you do too? You run over things in your car, then when people try to stop you, your run over them? He didn’t drive away from an accident. He pulled over. Then the bikers started hitting his car and spiked his tires. THEN he fled, and rightfully so. He is entirely justified in running over a person when said person is part of an angry mob. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/146 "2013-10-08T17:43:48Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > How many bikers would it take to actually impede a range rover from a stopped position? Could he have put it in reverse and successfully plowed through more? Unfortunately this was not attempted. That was what I was wondering – when they were trying to bust into his vehicle when he was blocked by traffic in front of him, why didn’t he back up over the ones behind him? I sure as hell would have. Guess being a New Yorker he wasn’t used to having to plow backwards to get out of snowdrifts. Or perhaps he was too decent a person to maim more of his attackers. ---
**Author:** ![DataX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@DataX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DataX)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/147 "2013-10-08T17:59:01Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > There is no evidence that the car clipped the bike and started the whole incident. And, the video ends when the car driver is having his window struck by the biker with a helmet. > > There certainly has to be video before and after the released 6 minutes that could shed some light on things. I am suspicious that the before and after is not being released because it is damaging to the biker’s position about what happened. > > This news story has a still picture of the car driver bleeding on the ground, obviously after he was out of the car, so there is certainly more video after the released 6 minute clip. > > This news story also has a still picture of one of the bikers shooting the bird in court. [http://news.yahoo.com/video/video-surfaces-bikers-attacking-another-](http://news.yahoo.com/video/video-surfaces-bikers-attacking-another-) That’s gonna be popular with the judge, I bet. This guys lawyer wants you to know his client is not a thug.131013149.html?utm\_source=buffer&utm\_campaign=Buffer&utm\_content=buffer22da8&utm\_medium=facebook I have to be my nine year old self and point out the way the URL was clipped certainly changes the meaning… ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/148 "2013-10-08T18:37:26Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > That was what I was wondering – when they were trying to bust into his vehicle when he was blocked by traffic in front of him, why didn’t he back up over the ones behind him? I sure as hell would have. Guess being a New Yorker he wasn’t used to having to plow backwards to get out of snowdrifts. Or perhaps he was too decent a person to maim more of his attackers. Maybe the idea didn’t come to him in the moment. Now that I have witnessed this and thought through the scenario I’m hoping that means less hesitation should the need arise. I would without remourse plow through thousands upon thousands of the angry mob of bikers blocking my way - the only thing stopping me would be having to refuel. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/149 "2013-10-08T20:13:33Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Maybe the idea didn’t come to him in the moment. Now that I have witnessed this and thought through the scenario I’m hoping that means less hesitation should the need arise. I would without remourse plow through thousands upon thousands of the angry mob of bikers blocking my way - the only thing stopping me would be having to refuel. Sadly, unless you have a tracked vehicle, or Mad-Max your car with a cow catcher, I’d imagine you aren’t going to get more than a dozen or two before the bikes start to pile up and you end up high centered. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/150 "2013-10-08T21:08:26Z")
I figured as much. I wonder if this has been tried before. Mythbusters? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/151 "2013-10-08T21:21:29Z")
It depends on the vehicle. A powerful four wheel drive vehicle could probably climb over a pile of bikes and bodes, especially if you don’t care what kind of damage it is doing. OK we really need to try this. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/152 "2013-10-08T22:19:03Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > How many bikers would it take to actually impede a range rover from a stopped position? Could he have put it in reverse and successfully plowed through more? Unfortunately this was not attempted. [Bender]A test! I demand a test! [/Bender] ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/153 "2013-10-08T22:30:54Z")
Today the news is saying the off duty cop is on video smashing in the rear window, hitting the dad, and kicking him when he was on the ground. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/154 "2013-10-08T22:50:33Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Today the news is saying the off duty cop is on video smashing in the rear window, hitting the dad, and kicking him when he was on the ground. > > Nice. So, you’re saying that he was working? [rimshot] ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/155 "2013-10-08T23:13:15Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Today the news is saying the off duty cop is on video smashing in the rear window, hitting the dad, and kicking him when he was on the ground. > > Nice. According to the[NY Post](http://nypost.com/2013/10/08/biker-cop-in-beatdown-could-be-busted-as-early-as-tonight/)he is seen on video hitting the car but not being involved in the assault. He is being arrested for criminal mischief. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/156 "2013-10-08T23:22:53Z")
Not child endangerment? _NY PL 260.10(1) You are guilty of Endangering the Welfare of a Child if you act knowingly in such a way that is likely to cause an injury to the mental state, person of (physical) or moral welfare of a child. This child must be sixteen years old or younger._ The article says there was tinted glass. I find that unpersuasive. And the guy who brake checked says he was looking for his friends as he let off the throttle. How believable. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/157 "2013-10-08T23:44:59Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Not child endangerment? > > _NY PL 260.10(1) > You are guilty of Endangering the Welfare of a Child if you act knowingly in such a way that is likely to cause an injury to the mental state, person of (physical) or moral welfare of a child. This child must be sixteen years old or younger._ > > The article says there was tinted glass. I find that unpersuasive. And the guy who brake checked says he was looking for his friends as he let off the throttle. How believable. I don’t know the ins and outs of NY law. I know in NJ it would be a stretch to charge that. “Injury to the mental state” does not necessarily mean to scare. \* Of course the link does come from the Post. There may be other charges if it is true. If he tried to obstruct the investigation in any way there may be official misconduct and other charges. \*To clarify, if nothing shows that he personally tried to force the car off the road and the video just shows him coming up to it after it was stopped and banging on the window, anything else would be tough to get through the court. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/158 "2013-10-09T00:05:43Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > It depends on the vehicle. A powerful four wheel drive vehicle could probably climb over a pile of bikes and bodes, especially if you don’t care what kind of damage it is doing. > > OK we really need to try this. I expect that the vehicle would eventually float up on the bikes, making it not possible to have any traction with the ground (similar to floating up and losing traction when wheeling in deep snow). Like Wolfman says, high centering. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/159 "2013-10-09T00:08:42Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > And the guy who brake checked says he was looking for his friends as he let off the throttle. The nice thing about many criminals is that the just don’t know when to shut up. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/160 "2013-10-09T00:21:04Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > According to the[NY Post](http://nypost.com/2013/10/08/biker-cop-in-beatdown-could-be-busted-as-early-as-tonight/)he is seen on video hitting the car but not being involved in the assault. He is being arrested for criminal mischief. Yeah, I’m pretty sure I read it on [abc.com](http://abc.com) but I checked just now and that article is gone. Or I hallucinated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236.md?page=9)