# The NYC biker gang beat down **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 3, 2013, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236 "2013-10-03T01:14:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/161 "2013-10-09T00:23:25Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > I expect that the vehicle would eventually float up on the bikes, making it not possible to have any traction with the ground (similar to floating up and losing traction when wheeling in deep snow). Like Wolfman says, high centering. And deep snow is no comparison to running over machinery. I’m sort of stunned that the RR made it over one with out getting hung up. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/162 "2013-10-09T00:48:45Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > And deep snow is no comparison to running over machinery. I’m sort of stunned that the RR made it over one with out getting hung up. That’d be a smart idea for a new RR commercial. “Forget mountains and streams you’ll never visit now that they’re closed; you need a man’s urban Rover! Problems with the local bike gang? It comes with a specially designed cow catcher on front along with our patented reinforced teflon undercarriage so you can take those pesky handlebars, exhaust pipes and assorted human body parts in stride! Tire guards and bullet proofing optional.” ---
**Author:** ![Glazer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a88e57/32.png) [@Glazer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glazer)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/163 "2013-10-09T01:25:15Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > And deep snow is no comparison to running over machinery. I’m sort of stunned that the RR made it over one with out getting hung up. He got some traction on the soft squishy parts. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/164 "2013-10-09T03:21:24Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > And deep snow is no comparison to running over machinery. I’m sort of stunned that the RR made it over one with out getting hung up. Traction control doesn’t compare with lockers, but even then it can be remarkably good. ---
**Author:** ![2gigch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/2gigch1/32/3313_2.png) [@2gigch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2gigch1)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/165 "2013-10-09T03:35:57Z")
Dropping in to make my regular suggestion that all drivers purchase dash cameras. Was in a fender bender just last week in my work truck - all arguments about ‘who did what’ ended when I pointed at the camera. In this case any arguments about what the family saw and how the bikers behaved from their perspective would be answered. At $80 for a good camera on eBay it’s insurance that I am shocked more people have not invested in. [Various](http://youtu.be/a9HmBfwtdvs) [examples](http://youtu.be/yH2iOiAXKZA) [from](http://youtu.be/FMGaoY3McLk) [my camera.](http://youtu.be/hRSCStseNfI) ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/166 "2013-10-09T04:08:56Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > That’d be a smart idea for a new RR commercial. “Forget mountains and streams you’ll never visit now that they’re closed; you need a man’s urban Rover! Problems with the local bike gang? It comes with a specially designed cow catcher on front along with our patented reinforced teflon undercarriage so you can take those pesky handlebars, exhaust pipes and assorted human body parts in stride! Tire guards and bullet proofing optional.” Maybe they can add [something like this.](https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q72/s720x720/555900_574824392573340_1113745139_n.jpg) Wouldn’t the vehicle get traction on the heavy bikes and people themselves? I mean, if they spin on the people that kind of accomplishes the goal. I was thinking that as long as the tires on on a surface it would move the vehicle and what would hang you up would be if you were on the top of a teeter totter of assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Flywheel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Flywheel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flywheel)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/167 "2013-10-09T04:15:21Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > teeter totter of assholes I loved that ride! Why did Disney World have to shut it down? ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/168 "2013-10-09T04:18:28Z")
YES. They arrested the cop who not only didn’t do anything to stop the crime, but actually participated in the crime then lied about it. > **[Report: Undercover NYPD officer arrested for participating in SUV attack](https://news.yahoo.com/undercover-nypd-suv-biker-attack-193030746.html)** > > In the latest twist in the NYPD investigation into the Sept. 29 beating of an SUV driver by a pack of angry motorcyclists in New York, NBC reports that a veteran undercover police detective was caught on video participating in the attack on the... Of course that is only because of the video evidence, if not for that the cops lies to cover his criminal behavior would’ve been taken at face value. I love it. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/169 "2013-10-09T05:22:54Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > I expect that the vehicle would eventually float up on the bikes, making it not possible to have any traction with the ground (similar to floating up and losing traction when wheeling in deep snow). Like Wolfman says, high centering. Nah, They’d domino over and make nice roadway. The bodies would fill in the gaps nicely. The best maneuver would be to swerve back and forth and knock the bikes over as they try to pass. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/170 "2013-10-09T12:18:37Z")
Lying about his participation in the attack on the driver? His testimony in future cases will be severely compromised, and previous cases that turned on his testimony will be re-opened. I hope the don’t just shuffle him into a staff support job, and instead fire his ass. And of course nail him on criminal charges for gang assault etc. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/171 "2013-10-09T15:40:08Z")
The Facebook page “Justice for Jay’” in support of the biker who was run over is pretty funny. I don’t think it turned out the way they had hoped. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/172 "2013-10-09T16:09:49Z")
Although I’m staunchly pro-gun, I agree that guns would not have been practical for the victim of this crime. However, it’s hard not to imagine the following twist to this incident: Instead of menacing Mr. Lien and his family, the gang chooses a lone motorist driving a shabby old sedan. Departing from the initial stop, the motorist gets a modest lead on the pursuing bikers. He skids the car to a stop, spinning it 180 degrees so that it’s facing his oncoming assailants. He gets out and walks to the back just as they start to arrive. “Whaddaya gonna do NOW, SHITHEAD?” The motorist, one Walter White of Albuquerque, NM, raises the trunk lid and smiles. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/173 "2013-10-09T16:36:23Z")
> [@2gigch1](#): > > Dropping in to make my regular suggestion that all drivers purchase dash cameras. I want. Do you have a brand or model recommendation? ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/174 "2013-10-09T16:38:09Z")
Gloria Allred’s representing the guy in the hospital. She say s he was just trying to defuse the situation, that he’s the victim. When asked about his driving without a license and motorcycle permit, she says he wasn’t driving at the time he was hit, so that really doesn’t count.He’s a great guy who was only trying to help. StG ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/175 "2013-10-09T16:40:54Z")
> [@2gigch1](#): > > Dropping in to make my regular suggestion that all drivers purchase dash cameras. Was in a fender bender just last week in my work truck - all arguments about ‘who did what’ ended when I pointed at the camera. > > In this case any arguments about what the family saw and how the bikers behaved from their perspective would be answered. > > At $80 for a good camera on eBay it’s insurance that I am shocked more people have not invested in. > > [Various](http://youtu.be/a9HmBfwtdvs) [examples](http://youtu.be/yH2iOiAXKZA) [from](http://youtu.be/FMGaoY3McLk) [my camera.](http://youtu.be/hRSCStseNfI) So you are that news guy? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/176 "2013-10-09T16:41:01Z")
Glora Allred needs to find her way under an SUV. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/177 "2013-10-09T16:42:47Z")
I’m curious as to the lyrics of raps. I expect that sooner or later someone will put a transcription up on the net. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/178 "2013-10-09T16:47:03Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > I’m curious as to the lyrics of raps. I expect that sooner or later someone will put a transcription up on the net. [Like this (- Jay Meezee (From his track It’s Nuttin.):](https://soundcloud.com/jay-meezee/its-nuttin)(audio plays directly, skip to 1:10 > [@](#): > > I’ll have you laying on the ground right in front of your kids. I’m heartless… ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/179 "2013-10-09T16:54:13Z")
Thanks, Bone. Why do those lyrics by the human speed bump not surprise me. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236/180 "2013-10-09T17:07:54Z")
Some folks here are saying that for the guy who got hospitalized, it wasn’t a punishment that fit the crime. This is correct. What happened to him wasn’t a punishment, it was a consequence, and it was delivered by the laws of nature, not by the laws of Man. When you do stupid things like slamming on the brakes in front of a massive fast-moving vehicle, sooner or later, you’re going to get hurt. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-nyc-biker-gang-beat-down/670236.md?page=10)