# The obvious bias here is sickening

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**Created:** [January 17, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940 "2019-01-17T19:28:14Z")\
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**Author:** ![AnthonyElite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@AnthonyElite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnthonyElite)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/1 "2019-01-17T19:28:14Z")

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[https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=867396&page=2](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=867396&page=2)

Issued a warning and locked out of a thread for using terms that a mod didn’t like.

Meanwhile I was berated and sworn at and the culprits received no warning.

I know you folks are liberal but the bubble you are making for yourself is insane. You can continue to pat yourselves on the back for always being right because you ban any dissenting opinion.

What a shithole this board has become.

Yeah, yeah, I know - I’m banned - go fuck yourself.

The ultimate community of folks that will die from patting themselves on the back too hard.

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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/2 "2019-01-17T19:52:35Z")

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Which posts directed towards you do you feel should have been moderated?

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**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/3 "2019-01-17T19:57:01Z")

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> [@Miller](#):
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> Which posts directed towards you do you feel should have been moderated?

I know! I looked for them in a thread I otherwise wouldn’t be interested in and found nothing but people disagreeing with him with cites.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/4 "2019-01-17T20:08:59Z")

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Who are you?

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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/5 "2019-01-17T20:12:22Z")

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Here is the (excerpted) post where he was sworn at:

> [@Connecticut parents angry over trans athlete](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/connecticut-parents-angry-over-trans-athlete/826284/64):
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> … I’ve already cited [one research paper](https://cgscholar.com/bookstore/works/race-times-for-transgender-athletes?category_id=common-ground-publishing) upthread that shows that this is simply not true. So now we’ve got one peer reviewed paper and one peer-reviewed literature review refuting what you see as obvious, and you have cited… fucking nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing. And you’re so sure of yourself! …
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> I mean, come on - if transwomen are really so much stronger, it should be fucking _easy_ to find one utterly dominating her field, right? …

Which leads us to believe that the use of strong language is interpreted as a personal attack. I can _kind of_ see that, but not really.

also, it would help tremendously if you (OP) would link to the actual page that the posts were on, or link directly to the posts, because I ended up way past even the moderation

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/6 "2019-01-17T20:16:04Z")

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[link to warning](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21397171&postcount=94)

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**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/7 "2019-01-17T20:18:26Z")

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There were precisely three responses to this posters post in that thread, and this is the only instance of anything like swearing in any of those responses.

> [@Budget Player Cadet](#):
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> …I’ve already cited one research paper upthread that shows that this is simply not true. So now we’ve got one peer reviewed paper and one peer-reviewed literature review refuting what you see as obvious, and you have cited… fucking nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing. And you’re so sure of yourself! …

I’ll leave it to the readers to decide if this constitutes swearing _at_ the poster. As for “berating me” I presume that means the same to this poster as “disagreeing with me.”

That’s more attention than this issue or this poster deserves.

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**Author:** ![AnthonyElite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@AnthonyElite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnthonyElite)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/8 "2019-01-17T20:32:55Z")

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So then what was I moderated for?

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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/9 "2019-01-17T20:39:08Z")

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Being jerkish. Rule #1.

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**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/10 "2019-01-17T20:39:57Z")

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> [@AnthonyElite](#):
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> So then what was I moderated for?

I’m guessing the use of the word “legitimate” and the reference to transgenderism as being a mental illness. IMHO, the first is definitely falls under the “being a jerk” umbrella, the latter is IMO more questionable but still pretty poor form.

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**Author:** ![AnthonyElite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@AnthonyElite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnthonyElite)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/11 "2019-01-17T20:44:30Z")

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> [@Telemark](#):
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> I’m guessing the use of the word “legitimate” and the reference to transgenderism as being a mental illness. IMHO, the first is definitely falls under the “being a jerk” umbrella, the latter is IMO more questionable but still pretty poor form.

Right - it’s a dissenting opinion from the general consensus of the board. I don’t see people that attempt to change their gender as legitimately the gender they profess to be. That is a matter of opinion. It’s a matter of science. It’s determined by chromosomes. The same people who complain that science is ignored want to ignore that. It’s taught in basic biology.

Following that notion if they believe they are something they are not they have a mental illness. Their body is what it is - their brain doesn’t match. If I imagine I’m a giraffe no sane person would suggest getting surgery to become a giraffe.

Some in society would like to push for enabling others’ mental illness. No thanks.

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/12 "2019-01-17T20:45:05Z")

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> [@Telemark](#):
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> I’m guessing the use of the word “legitimate” and the reference to transgenderism as being a mental illness. IMHO, the first is definitely falls under the “being a jerk” umbrella

And might even be considered hate speech.

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**Author:** ![AnthonyElite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@AnthonyElite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnthonyElite)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/13 "2019-01-17T20:51:11Z")

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> [@Skywatcher](#):
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> And might even be considered hate speech.

Perfect - let’s call it hate speech so you can censure alternate view points.

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**Author:** ![AnthonyElite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@AnthonyElite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnthonyElite)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/14 "2019-01-17T20:52:41Z")

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> [@eschereal](#):
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> Being jerkish. Rule #1.

Being fragile and incapable of discussion. That’s what this board will dwindle to nothing for. You all have systematically pushed out all conservative thought here and pat yourself on the back like you’ve finally defeated evil. The circle jerk here is outstanding. I wonder if this board will exist in 10 years

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/15 "2019-01-17T20:56:43Z")

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We’re trying to push out hateful thought. You’re the one identifying hate with conservativism, not us.

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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/16 "2019-01-17T21:01:07Z")

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> [@AnthonyElite](#):
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> Being fragile and incapable of discussion. That’s what this board will dwindle to nothing for. You all have systematically pushed out all conservative thought here and pat yourself on the back like you’ve finally defeated evil. The circle jerk here is outstanding. I wonder if this board will exist in 10 years

However did it exist before you got here, because we are DOOMED if you leave!

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**Author:** ![AnthonyElite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@AnthonyElite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnthonyElite)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/17 "2019-01-17T21:02:04Z")

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> [@Chronos](#):
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> We’re trying to push out hateful thought. You’re the one identifying hate with conservativism, not us.

But how is that hateful? It’s the framing of it. By establishing anyone who claims to be that something by default it shifts the conversation to a default. I only see men born as men as men. I only see women born as women as women. That doesn’t make me hateful.

And as for mental illness - is there a more PC word we are using now? Would psychological disorder work better? My stance is that instead of advocating for a change of body we should advocate for mental health so that the person’s mind matches their body.

I view the physical word as unmovable in that regard. In my opinion the person’s perception is skewed.

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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/18 "2019-01-17T21:27:05Z")

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> [@AnthonyElite](#):
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> I view the physical word as unmovable in that regard.

You might find that perspective to be problematic. If the world moves around you and you suddenly find yourself no longer in the place that you were, how do you hope to deal with that? By trying to find that place again? What if it is no longer there?

_Reality is that which, when we stop believing in it, fails to go away_.

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**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/19 "2019-01-17T21:29:15Z")

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> [@AnthonyElite](#):
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> My stance is that instead of advocating for a change of body we should advocate for mental health so that the person’s mind matches their body.

A better stance would be to mind your own business in matters that don’t affect anything except your sense of righteousness.

> [@](#):
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> I view the physical word as unmovable in that regard. In my opinion the person’s perception is skewed.

Nobody cares.

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**Author:** ![AnthonyElite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@AnthonyElite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnthonyElite)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-obvious-bias-here-is-sickening/827940/20 "2019-01-17T21:31:47Z")

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> [@eschereal](#):
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> You might find that perspective to be problematic. If the world moves around you and you suddenly find yourself no longer in the place that you were, how do you hope to deal with that? By trying to find that place again? What if it is no longer there?
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> _Reality is that which, when we stop believing in it, fails to go away_.

Ah like inconvenient things…such as chromosomes? I know, I know - fuck this place, just waiting for the ban hammer at this point

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