# The Office - 1/31 - "Junior Salesman" & "Vandalism" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 1, 2013, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000 "2013-02-01T03:33:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/21 "2013-02-01T19:06:54Z")
I also liked both episodes. I like it when there’s no kooky boss that makes things even more unrealistic. It’s obvious that there are unrealistic elements in the show. It’s a sitcom about a documentary. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/22 "2013-02-01T19:31:06Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Why didn’t you enjoy the 2nd episode? I thought both halves of last night’s hour were some of the strongest they’ve put out in awhile. I know why I was less than thrilled with the second episode: The Warehouse Ass Hole. You can’t sit there and act all smug when even in the fantasy land of TV you’d be punished somehow for what you did. Warehouse Ass Hole defaced the mural that Pam was assigned to paint. Even if he’s not technically a Dunder Mifflin employee, he defaced property owned by Dwight, who would be completely in his rights as building owner to tell the warehouse manager to can him. Or even just going to the police. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/23 "2013-02-01T19:42:43Z")
Yeah, I thought the whole painting bit was a bit weak as well. I do like the bonding with Jim and Darryl but I didn’t quite get the stuff with the boom mic operator. Why is he being inserted into Pam’s life? ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/24 "2013-02-01T20:11:14Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I didn’t quite get the stuff with the boom mic operator. Why is he being inserted into Pam’s life? It shows Pam’s pattern. At the start of the series she was unhappy with Roy and nice guy Jim slides in and sweeps her off her feet. Now the same thing is about to happen again at the end of the series. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/25 "2013-02-01T20:21:29Z")
Yeah I see that, but I don’t really want to see Jim and Pam’s marriage come apart because of a cute boom mic guy. Isn’t somebody thinking of the children? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/26 "2013-02-01T20:29:25Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I know why I was less than thrilled with the second episode: The Warehouse Ass Hole. > > You can’t sit there and act all smug when even in the fantasy land of TV you’d be punished somehow for what you did. Warehouse Ass Hole defaced the mural that Pam was assigned to paint. Even if he’s not technically a Dunder Mifflin employee, he defaced property owned by Dwight, who would be completely in his rights as building owner to tell the warehouse manager to can him. Or even just going to the police. He’s a DM employee, and yes he would’ve been fired on the spot for that IRL. Pam & Dwight would also be fired for what they did to his care, but it’s way too late in the series to bother complaining up stuff like this. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/27 "2013-02-01T20:51:28Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > He’s a DM employee, and yes he would’ve been fired on the spot for that IRL. Pam & Dwight would also be fired for what they did to his care, but it’s way too late in the series to bother complaining up stuff like this. Would they be fired for the car? Especially after not firing the guy, (Frank), who pained over the mural. That paint would have washed right off with a garden hose. Maybe they would, but I’m just not so sure. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/28 "2013-02-01T21:35:11Z")
> [@koufax](#): > > Can somebody explain why at the end of the first episode, the camera operator would show Brian, the sound guy? > > Is the documentary crew now documenting the documentary crew? > > Are there two documentary crews or are we watching thru a regular camera, and if so, then why wasn’t the documentary crew visible throughout the entire series? You mean when Brian was talking to Meredith? The camera was on the floor. Maybe it was left on accidentally or on purpose, but the camera guy wasn’t holding it so there’s no reason he couldn’t have been in the shot. > [@](#): > > The second episode about the vandalism was possibly the worst TV show I have ever witnessed. And I am a geezer who has been watching TV since the 1950’s. > > I swear that halfway through I wondered if they intentionally make it that bad so people like me will watch it in astonishment. You have got to be kidding. It wasn’t even the worst episode of _this season_ of _this show_. I can’t really take you seriously after an absurd comment like that. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/29 "2013-02-01T22:36:19Z")
What did Darryl say when he turned on the TV? (“What happened to my \*\*\*\*?” “Oh crap, were those yours?”) ---
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/30 "2013-02-02T02:26:19Z")
“What happened to my Tavis Smileys?” “Oh crap, were those yours?” ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/31 "2013-02-02T02:30:15Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > What did Darryl say when he turned on the TV? (“What happened to my \*\*\*\*?” “Oh crap, were those yours?”) His “Tavis Smiley’s”, a talk show host. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/32 "2013-02-02T03:19:40Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I know why I was less than thrilled with the second episode: The Warehouse Ass Hole. > > You can’t sit there and act all smug when even in the fantasy land of TV you’d be punished somehow for what you did. Warehouse Ass Hole defaced the mural that Pam was assigned to paint. Even if he’s not technically a Dunder Mifflin employee, he defaced property owned by Dwight, who would be completely in his rights as building owner to tell the warehouse manager to can him. Or even just going to the police. The part that bothered me was him charging at Pam while she is being filmed by a damn camera crew. I know he is supposed to be dumb, but that just takes you completely out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/33 "2013-02-02T03:38:21Z")
I loved Kevin (of all people!) telling off the senator and the little smile Angela let slip afterwards. I love Pam. I’m a lot like Pam. But women like me and Pam? We don’t really have men fight over us. Not multiple times either. I’m sure it’s not unheard of in the entire history of the world, but it stretches my suspension of disbelief. And yeah, the camera guy wasn’t fighting for her, necessarily. He might have done that no matter who was going to be on the receiving end of the crazed warehouse guy, but the pining over her for years and years? I just have a hard time thinking so many guys did (Jim, camera guy, Roy after the break up, the Mad Men guy when she was at art school, Toby). ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/34 "2013-02-02T04:26:39Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The part that bothered me was him charging at Pam while she is being filmed by a damn camera crew. I know he is supposed to be dumb, but that just takes you completely out of it. Watch any of the reality shows about repo guys or people that give out parking tickets or anything along those lines. You can watch one episode of Lizard Lick Towing or All Worked Up and you’ll see plenty of pissed off people attacking the subject of the show. I’m surprised that the guys don’t more often\* say “Hey, do you really want to hit me with a tire iron when there’s three cameras following me around?” And don’t forget, Roy attacked Jim too. Also, you can watch the auditions on American Idol and you’ll see how many people that get turned down push the camera guy when he follows them out onto the sidewalk. I don’t care how upset you are, it doesn’t seem like a good idea to push a multi-thousand dollar camera being held by a guy walking backwards. Whenever I see that, I have to wonder if they sign something saying they’ll be held responsible if they do that and break a camera or hurt someone when they storm out. \*I have to assume they do say it once it a while and it gets edited out. ---
**Author:** ![koufax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@koufax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koufax)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/35 "2013-02-02T16:01:45Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > You mean when Brian was talking to Meredith? The camera was on the floor. Maybe it was left on accidentally or on purpose, but the camera guy wasn’t holding it so there’s no reason he couldn’t have been in the shot. > > You have got to be kidding. It wasn’t even the worst episode of _this season_ of _this show_. I can’t really take you seriously after an absurd comment like that. No, I don’t mean when the camera was on the floor. I stated “at the end” of the first episode. And I should have written “one” of the worst episodes of all time (even though that is a stretch) This show reminds me of a college film class project now. The actors are all very good, but the writing is second rate. It is almost insulting to watch. I think that is why I watch it, (on hulu) just to see how insulting to our intelligence it can really become. Even Ricky Gervais makes fun of it and how dumb we Americans are for keeping crap like this on the air for years. Again, the cast is excellent, but the show is garbage. (with a few, very few, funny scenes or lines) ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/36 "2013-02-02T16:09:47Z")
So stop watching it and leave those of us that do enjoy it alone. I mean, if the only reason you’re watching it is to see how insulting to your intelligence it can become then either you’re just wasting your time and surely you can find something else to watch or do during that time slot OR you actually do like the show and just don’t want to admit it for some reason. ETA and you’re watching it on hulu? So it’s not even like you can claim that it’s just _on_. You’re going out of your way to watch it. I think you actually do like it. I mean, I think The Secret Life Of The American Teenager is a terrible, horrible show with awful acting. But I only watched like the first two episodes and then gave up on it. I didn’t sit through the rest of the series just to complain about it and see how insulting it was to me. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/37 "2013-02-02T17:15:23Z")
> [@koufax](#): > > No, I don’t mean when the camera was on the floor. I stated “at the end” of the first episode. > > And I should have written “one” of the worst episodes of all time (even though that is a stretch) > > This show reminds me of a college film class project now. The actors are all very good, but the writing is second rate. It is almost insulting to watch. I think that is why I watch it, (on hulu) just to see how insulting to our intelligence it can really become. > > Even Ricky Gervais makes fun of it and how dumb we Americans are for keeping crap like this on the air for years. > > Again, the cast is excellent, but the show is garbage. (with a few, very few, funny scenes or lines) Ricky Gervais made fun of it once that I recal. Can you provide a site where he says how “dumb we Americans are for keeping crap like this on the air for years?” If you watch it to see how insulting it is to it’s audience… then you are a fool. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/38 "2013-02-02T17:19:47Z")
I remember Gervais making fun of the American practice of long running TV shows in general. For his original shows he has a strict limit of 2 (short) seasons and a Christmas special. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/39 "2013-02-02T17:23:03Z")
Ok, that’s not the same thing as what **koufax** is claiming he said. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000/40 "2013-02-02T18:14:10Z")
> [@koufax](#): > > The second episode about the vandalism was possibly the worst TV show I have ever witnessed. And I am a geezer who has been watching TV since the 1950’s. Wait, tell me again why you’re still watching this show when you said _three years ago_ that you were going to stop watching it? > [@The Office. 3/11 (Open Spoilers)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-3-11-open-spoilers/532244/6): > > And the last time I will ever watch that piece of shit that should be canceled. (Said on March 12, 2010, after the nineteenth episode of the sixth season.) As as for Ricky Gervais, I don’t know why he’d would be unhappy that the show has lasted as long as it has, considering that in its doing so, he’s made millions of dollars. It’s probably far more profitable than anything else he does. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-31-junior-salesman-vandalism/649000.md?page=3)