# The Office 1/4/07 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 5, 2007, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760 "2007-01-05T01:53:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Big\_Norse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/big_norse/32/9954_2.png) [@Big\_Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Norse)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/41 "2007-01-06T19:42:51Z")
[QUOTE=Seven] Not to read too much into the scene but I assumed taking his jacket off (and saying it’s hot) was a way to buy time while he thought of how to handle a crying woman alone in a hall. Something you get the impression he’s never had to deal with. [/QUOTE] My take on the jacket thing was that he lost the jacket so she could better appreciate his “manly physique” when she cried on his offered shoulder. Oh, so many levels… ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/42 "2007-01-06T19:46:05Z")
[QUOTE=Red Barchetta] That doesn’t change the fact that Chefguy prefaced his “spoilers” with this: _“It looks like they are continuing to loosely follow the Brit version”_. Regardless, of whether the shows ultimately follow the same path, I would very much not like to read about the story arcs of the British version in this thread. [/QUOTE] Only one apology per thread. You’ve received it. [Clark Griswold]Don’t piss me off, Red.[/Clark Griswold] 😉 ---
**Author:** ![HandsomeBWonderful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3d9bf3/32.png) [@HandsomeBWonderful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HandsomeBWonderful)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/43 "2007-01-06T19:50:04Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] Well… There’s also the idea that she was having “female problems” (PMSing), and so a woman who may be staining her clothes might end up tying her sweater/jacket around her waist to hide it while she runs home and changes. -Joe [/QUOTE] PMS= **PRE** -menstrual syndrome. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/44 "2007-01-06T19:50:17Z")
[QUOTE=Chefguy] Only one apology per thread. You’ve received it. [Clark Griswold]Don’t piss me off, Red.[/Clark Griswold] 😉 [/QUOTE] Haha, sorry man. I was just using it as a counter-point. No hard feelings; 'tis just a show after all. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/45 "2007-01-06T19:59:06Z")
[QUOTE=HandsomeBWonderful] PMS= **PRE** -menstrual syndrome. [/QUOTE] Yes, but does **Dwight** know this. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/46 "2007-01-06T21:34:37Z")
[QUOTE=Red Barchetta] That doesn’t change the fact that Chefguy prefaced his “spoilers” with this: _“It looks like they are continuing to loosely follow the Brit version”_. Regardless, of whether the shows ultimately follow the same path, I would very much not like to read about the story arcs of the British version in this thread. [/QUOTE] The story arcs of the UK show are not spoilers. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/47 "2007-01-06T21:59:21Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] The story arcs of the UK show are not spoilers. [/QUOTE] You don’t know that this won’t be the case, and neither do I. But seeing as how they could potentially be spoilers, I think it’s safe to err on the side of caution. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/48 "2007-01-06T22:02:51Z")
[QUOTE=Red Barchetta] You don’t know that this won’t be the case, and neither do I. But seeing as how they could potentially be spoilers, I think it’s safe to err on the side of caution. [/QUOTE] They can’t even _potentially_ be spoilers. it’s a completely different show, you see. At best, it’s just speculation. There is no need to spoiler box sheer speculation. **Chefguy** had nothing to apologize for. A spoiler is when you _know_ what’s going to happen and you tell somebody. Guessing is not spoiling. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/49 "2007-01-06T22:08:21Z")
[QUOTE=Big\_Norse] My take on the jacket thing was that he lost the jacket so she could better appreciate his “manly physique” when she cried on his offered shoulder. Oh, so many levels… [/QUOTE] That was the beauty of the scene. Several people read it several ways. It’s rare to get writing (or acting) like that from a sitcom. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/50 "2007-01-06T22:10:10Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] They can’t even _potentially_ be spoilers. it’s a completely different show, you see. At best, it’s just speculation. There is no need to spoiler box sheer speculation. **Chefguy** had nothing to apologize for. A spoiler is when you _know_ what’s going to happen and you tell somebody. Guessing is not spoiling. [/QUOTE] It’s your opinion that it’s a “completley different show,” whereas it’s mine that both share strong similarites and thus, potential story arcs. As such, Chefguy wasn’t “guessing” when he retold the plot of the BBC version on which the US version is based. Furthermore, I’d argue that throwing around spoilers for a “completley different show,” in an apparently unrelatred thread, is also poor form. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/51 "2007-01-06T22:14:51Z")
[QUOTE=Red Barchetta] It’s your opinion that it’s a “completley different show,” whereas it’s mine that both share strong similarites and thus, potential story arcs. As such, Chefguy wasn’t “guessing” when he retold the plot of the BBC version on which the US version is based. [/quote] It doesn’t share any story arcs. I’ve seen the whole BBC series. There is virtually no relationship between the two shows, and my point is that trying to speculate based on the UK show is still not spoiling but guessing. > [@](#): > > Furthermore, I’d argue that throwing around spoilers for a “completley different show,” in an apparently unrelatred thread, is also poor form. It’s a series that finished airing years ago. How long are people supposed to wait before they’re allowed to talk about it? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/52 "2007-01-06T22:17:54Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] It’s a series that finished airing years ago. How long are people supposed to wait before they’re allowed to talk about it? [/QUOTE] No one is contesting this; it can be talked about, just not without a spoiler box, imo. Regardless, the general concensus is that the comments should have been placed in said box, and despite what you state, I base my opinion on having seen every episode of the BBC office up to the mid-part of the second season. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/53 "2007-01-06T22:32:39Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] It doesn’t share any story arcs. I’ve seen the whole BBC series. There is virtually no relationship between the two shows, and my point is that trying to speculate based on the UK show is still not spoiling but guessing. [/QUOTE] I have to disagree with this. The following are all similarities in storyline and have distinct counterparts in the BBC version: Pam engaged Jim & Pam attracted to each other Jim’s unrequited professions of love Pam’s splitting with Roy Jim’s taking up with a woman from the other branch of the company Pam’s jealousy of the relationship Jim becoming the number two under Michael ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/54 "2007-01-06T22:33:17Z")
SPOILERS! Just kidding, Chefguy 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/55 "2007-01-06T22:52:42Z")
[QUOTE=Chefguy] I have to disagree with this. The following are all similarities in storyline and have distinct counterparts in the BBC version: Pam engaged Jim & Pam attracted to each other Jim’s unrequited professions of love Pam’s splitting with Roy Jim’s taking up with a woman from the other branch of the company Pam’s jealousy of the relationship Jim becoming the number two under Michael [/QUOTE] All of these similarities are very superficial and the last is off completely. David Brent (the UK version of Michael) was subordinated after the merger. And I still say that trying to use the UK version as a template is guessing, not spoiling. **Barchetta** , the UK series has been over and done with for years. Why does anything still have to be spoilered about it? ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/56 "2007-01-06T23:45:26Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] **Barchetta** , the UK series has been over and done with for years. Why does anything still have to be spoilered about it? [/QUOTE] If it’s a completely autonomous series, then why would you even bring it up? It would be like me constantly bringing up past episodes of “Brideshead Revisited” in a “Grey’s Anatomy” thread. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2007, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/57 "2007-01-07T00:33:05Z")
I’m not the one who brought it up. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2007, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/58 "2007-01-07T00:40:56Z")
And if you don’t bring it up in subsequent threads it will cease to be an issue because the guy who did bring it up has apologized. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2007, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/59 "2007-01-07T00:44:40Z")
[QUOTE=PunditLisa] And if you don’t bring it up in subsequent threads it will cease to be an issue because the guy who did bring it up has apologized. [/QUOTE] For nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2007, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760/60 "2007-01-07T01:06:49Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] For nothing. [/QUOTE] And boy am I pissed about it. :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-1-4-07/386760.md?page=4)