# The Office: 11/16 (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 17, 2006, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773 "2006-11-17T02:32:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/61 "2006-11-17T20:03:46Z")
[QUOTE=Dinsdale] I agree. At first I couldn’t believe he was gonna try to get the guy on the table. Absolutely wrenching. Then against my wishes I had to laugh at “I’ve got this hock!” Then it went a little longer such that it became really uncomfortable - until I almost died when he hollered that he was “in his crack!” Then, whipsawed back to respect for the big guy for quitting. I think it is an extremely short list of shows/flicks that can convey and switch between emotions this effectively. The fat guy really did a helluva job with what could have been a very minor and stereotyped role. [/QUOTE] I thought his character would have fit in perfectly in the show. I hope he comes back as a regular somehow. And I did laugh. But it was the “Conditioned-to-laugh-at-fat-jokes” me. The real me felt terrible for him. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/62 "2006-11-17T20:04:29Z")
I agree, the scene of trying to get Tony (?) on the table went a bit too far, as I actually started to feel bad for the actor. One of the reasons I love this show - when Michael fired him, I turned to Mr. Cinnamon and said, “So now he’ll get severance or unemployment,” and the show followed it up. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/63 "2006-11-17T20:08:50Z")
Oh, and “Follow me, I’ll show you where the slaves sit.” :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/64 "2006-11-17T20:13:21Z")
[QUOTE=Dinsdale] I agree. At first I couldn’t believe he was gonna try to get the guy on the table. Absolutely wrenching. [/QUOTE] Even the line before the attempt was great: “No, I mean I can’t physically… get up on the table…” Michael: “Oh… well, you just have to use the momentum of… your lower half.” (or something like that. It was “use the momentum” that got me). ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/65 "2006-11-17T20:15:08Z")
[QUOTE=Push You Down] This was really a spectacular episode. I like that Michael still managed to complete his goal of uniting everyone…against him. [/QUOTE] “See, what they all need is just a common enemy, like the lunch lady…” (And Michael’s main friend by the end of high school was apparently the lunch lady…!) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/66 "2006-11-17T20:26:19Z")
[QUOTE=Hampshire] Yes. It was a parody of the “Lazy Sunday” short film/video that was on Saturday Night Live last year. You should be able to find it fairly easy on youtube. [/QUOTE] This was the second reference to that video so far. In the Pretzel Day episode the cut to a scene of Kelly in line with Michael and she saying “…and then it ended up that they were rapping about cup cakes and the Chronicles of Narnia. It was so funny.” ---
**Author:** ![audiobottle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc8723/32.png) [@audiobottle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/audiobottle)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/67 "2006-11-17T22:50:08Z")
I’m a big fan of Karen now, but I am confused as to why Jim told Pam they were dating. Are they dating now? I don’t think they are. “Ditto, my brother.” I love Creed. He’d be over the top if he were on screen for more than 30 seconds, but in short bursts like that, he’s awesome. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/68 "2006-11-17T22:52:32Z")
[QUOTE=audiobottle] I’m a big fan of Karen now, but I am confused as to why Jim told Pam they were dating. Are they dating now? I don’t think they are. [/QUOTE] I was wondering that too. Have they really started dating or was he saying that to get at Pam? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/69 "2006-11-17T23:21:48Z")
He didn’t say they were dating…he said he was “sorta seeing someone”. Since (as far as we know) they haven’t even kissed, it’s certainly a stretching of the truth. I’m thinking he just wanted to see what Pam’s reaction would be. What I want to know is where Pam was coming from in that scene. She wasn’t coming from the front doors of the office, and she kind of stumbled over her explaination to Jim about where she had just been. My take: she went to the warehouse to see Roy. ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/70 "2006-11-17T23:33:01Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] What I want to know is where Pam was coming from in that scene. She wasn’t coming from the front doors of the office, and she kind of stumbled over her explaination to Jim about where she had just been. My take: she went to the warehouse to see Roy. [/QUOTE] Ah, I hadn’t thought of that! I assumed she was lurking to leave at the same time as Jim. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/71 "2006-11-17T23:37:44Z")
Yeah she was coming from the warehouse. And we really have no idea where Jim and Karen stand. They could be fooling around regularly for all we know. Clearly some time has passed between this episode and the last episode. The hand on the back move was pretty telling of their comfort level right now. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2006, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/72 "2006-11-18T02:52:59Z")
It occurs to me that Dwight and Andy may well end up being buddies allied against Jim. I could see them bonding over video games like Medal of Honor. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2006, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/73 "2006-11-18T04:15:37Z")
I think there were supposed to be a couple of hints that Jim and Karen had grown a little closer than what we’ve seen onscreen. ---
**Author:** ![Greywolf73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d9b06d/32.png) [@Greywolf73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greywolf73)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2006, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/74 "2006-11-18T04:34:35Z")
[QUOTE=lorene] It was on the _ **Curb Your Enthusiasm** _ level of the cringe-o-meter for me. I was saying out loud, “No…stop…please, I can’t watch this…stop!” And yes to **Trunk** and **Dinsdale** —I don’t even watch Earl anymore. [/QUOTE] Oh God, I was practically squirming off the couch in embarrassment watching the table scene. I think what was so cringe-worthy about it is that it just went on and on–a non-stop onslaught of cringe-worthiness. I agree about Earl too. I did laugh out loud during some of the last episode but I definitely felt the lack of funny because Randy wasn’t talking for most of the episode. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2006, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/75 "2006-11-18T12:56:10Z")
[QUOTE=Unauthorized Cinnamon] Phyllis wearing pine-derived perfume - so perfect. BTW, if the Vance Refrigeration guys are around, does that mean they did lease the warehouse, or is it just they’ve always been in the same building? [/QUOTE] Good question, I assumed Michael was referring to the warehouse guys who now work for Vance. However, it seems like the decision not to close Scranton happened fast enough that they could have gotten out of that lease to Vance and would have needed the space. My take on Pam/Jim is that she innocently thought they were just friends until the final episode of season two when she clearly rejected his advances. Am I missing other truely obvious occasions? As a result, I can’t blame her too much for the way the relationship failed to take off. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2006, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/76 "2006-11-18T16:43:02Z")
I can’t say for sure, but I’m pretty sure Vance has always shared the building. Hence why Phyllis was “cutting the line” in the Pretzel episode. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/77 "2006-11-18T17:03:42Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] My take on Pam/Jim is that she innocently thought they were just friends until the final episode of season two when she clearly rejected his advances. Am I missing other truely obvious occasions? [/QUOTE] The only time I can really think of is the party episode. Jim was giving a tour of the apartment and Pam kind of lingered in his bedroom. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2006, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/78 "2006-11-18T18:25:08Z")
When did Pam and Roy get engaged? I didn’t watch most of the first season. I think she’s insecure. That’s partly the reason she dresses dowdy. The other part, of course, is Creed, but a more confident woman would just tell him to buzz off when he stared at her cleavage. Has she ever confronted Roy about his selfish behavior? Another sign of insecurity, if she hasn’t. Or maybe she just doesn’t like conflict. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2006, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/79 "2006-11-18T18:30:18Z")
Pam and Roy had already been engaged for a couple of years when the first season started. I don’t recall her ever confronting Roy. ---
**Author:** ![SanibelMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@SanibelMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanibelMan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2006, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773/80 "2006-11-18T18:50:50Z")
And since Pam broke off their engagement shortly before the wedding, Roy has become quite the puppy dog. He’s quite heartbroken and would do anything to get her back. He’s a sympathetic character now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-11-16-open-spoilers/380773.md?page=5)