# The Office - 4/11 - Stairmageddon **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 12, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-11-stairmageddon/655512 "2013-04-12T15:45:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-11-stairmageddon/655512/41 "2013-04-17T19:20:55Z")
See, the problem is her saying “no” in the first place. That is horribly selfish and short sighted. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-11-stairmageddon/655512/42 "2013-04-17T19:33:01Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > That’s not how I remember it. They had a long discussion and Pam said ‘no.’ Jim went ahead anyway without telling her. And for a few episodes was actively hiding it from her. They had a long discussion off-screen where Jim asked to do Athlead part-time and in Scranton. This was before any of the Athlead people or Pam had any idea it could even be a full-time thing. Her saying no, when it would have been more or less a hobby for Jim, is where Pam was wrong. After it became big, they had another discussion and Pam agreed to let Jim work at Athlead full-time. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-11-stairmageddon/655512/43 "2013-04-17T20:23:06Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > That’s not how I remember it. They had a long discussion and Pam said ‘no.’ Jim went ahead anyway without telling her. And for a few episodes was actively hiding it from her. And Jim’s promises of it being only part-time and non-disruptive also didn’t pan out. And Toby’s point of this being all open-ended is dead-on. This isn’t a one time instances of didn’t get consensus first, it’s a constant and never-ending reminder of how this isn’t something she said yes to. > > And it doesn’t matter whether Athlead is successful or not. If it succeeds, it doesn’t make Jim right and Pam wrong. If it fails it doesn’t make Pam right and Jim wrong. The end doesn’t justify the means. It’s wrong because of deception. Pam has good reason to be distrustful. Your post shows that I’m not crazy and my memory works correctly so I am grateful to you. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-11-stairmageddon/655512/44 "2013-04-26T13:30:37Z")
Don’t want to start a new thread… [spoiler]but do want to be the first one to say that Jim and Pam’s embrace at the end of last night’s episode was lame. The back and forth that came out of the skills learned at counseling was pretty good though.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-11-stairmageddon/655512/45 "2013-04-26T14:22:32Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > [spoiler]Don’t want to start a new thread… but do want to be the first one to say that Jim and Pam’s embrace at the end of last night’s episode was lame. > > The back and forth that came out of the skills learned at counseling was pretty good though.[/spoiler] Thanks for the spoiler though. Get a fucking clue. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-11-stairmageddon/655512/46 "2013-04-26T14:30:27Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Thanks for the spoiler though. Get a fucking clue. Cool it: this isn’t the Pit. And **What the … !!!** , you should’ve started a new thread. People reading this thread weren’t expecting spoilers for an episode that aired two weeks later. That was inconsiderate. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-11-stairmageddon/655512/47 "2013-04-26T15:30:19Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Cool it: this isn’t the Pit. And **What the … !!!** , you should’ve started a new thread. People reading this thread weren’t expecting spoilers for an episode that aired two weeks later. That was inconsiderate. Good point … I didn’t consider that at all. Very sorry. OTOH … that really wasn’t much of a spoiler was it? ---
**Author:** ![fusoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@fusoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fusoya)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-11-stairmageddon/655512/48 "2013-06-23T06:22:41Z")
I’m a bit behind (just watched Stairmagaddeon and I have a couple more to go to finish off the series) and I wasn’t expecting there to be a spoiler for future episodes in THIS thread either. But that wasn’t really a spoiler anyway. Anyway, I’m only reviving this because the spoiler reminded me of another question I kept thinking that was hopefully answered somewhere - why the heck did they change the opening credits to show that scene of Pam & Jim kissing every week now? Are they trying to remind us that YES, those two actually ARE a couple? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-11-stairmageddon/655512.md?page=2)