# The Office - 4/25 - Paper Airplane **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 26, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774 "2013-04-26T16:54:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/21 "2013-04-26T19:40:23Z")
They played ‘Roy’s Wedding’ last night… Jim was taking secret phone calls from Pam. They were complaining that they knew each other too well. Jim SHOULD have told Pam then, but didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/22 "2013-04-26T19:47:42Z")
My favorite bit from this episode was Clark asking Jim and Pam if they were high, and that his “Truth” is that he would “Appreciate” them sharing their kind bud. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/23 "2013-04-26T20:19:18Z")
If Jim and Pam would tell each other the stuff they tell their trusted co-workers they may be able to work things out. As it is there appears to be little honest communication between them. I also gotta wonder how Jim, who pined for Pam for years, would ever put himself in a position where he could lose her. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/24 "2013-04-26T20:33:10Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > I also gotta wonder how Jim, who pined for Pam for years, would ever put himself in a position where he could lose her. Eh, people get bored of each other. I actually don’t find that element that surprising. (although I don’t think that’s what the writers mean to convey) ---
**Author:** ![koufax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@koufax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koufax)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/25 "2013-04-26T21:17:46Z")
This show is so bad now, I look forward to watching it on Hulu every Friday morning just to see them outdo themselves. Last night’s show was one of the worst episodes in the history of American, no, WORLD-WIDE television. Even Roseanne stunk. It is so bad, I honestly wish that they would do another season. I know I have ripped The Office in the past and said I would start watching it as a surreal, intentionally made bad show, but that doesn’t even work anymore. But like slowing down to see an accident on the freeway, I can’t wait for next week’s debacle. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/26 "2013-04-26T21:26:09Z")
> [@koufax](#): > > Last night’s show was one of the worst episodes in the history of American, no, WORLD-WIDE television. Even Roseanne stunk. > […] > I know I have ripped The Office in the past and said I would start watching it as a surreal, intentionally made bad show, but that doesn’t even work anymore. Try not posting about the show anymore. And no, I’m not kidding. Don’t post in these threads again. You’ve been told about this before, and making one or two ironic comments in other threads doesn’t cover you. I’m giving you a formal warning this time. From last time: > [@The Office: Couples Discount.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-couples-discount/649806/15): > > **koufax** , posters are getting tired of reading this every week. If you had something insightful to say, that’s fine even if it’s critical. But this isn’t it. Either post something new or stop participating in these threads. ---
**Author:** ![koufax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@koufax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koufax)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/27 "2013-04-26T21:42:32Z")
What do you want me to say??? How do you want me to say it? “The Office” is now horrible. It is amateurish. It is poorly written and insulting. I actually own the British version because it was so good. And the American version used to be good. But it is now HORRIBLE. So HORRIBLE, it is actually interesting. Even the posts about it now are bad, people are so confused about Jim and Pam and where Jim works and Brian the sound guy etc etc etc I don’t think I broke any rules here, so what is with the warning? I’m not entitled to my opinion about this once good, but now insulting piece of crap? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/28 "2013-04-26T21:57:39Z")
> [@koufax](#): > > What do you want me to say??? How do you want me to say it? I explained it already. I suggested you try more constructive criticism and you are evidently not interested. When the subject is The Office, I’m instructing you to say nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/29 "2013-04-26T22:54:58Z")
Why would someone stay here if they felt it was so bad? So you can be sure we all know how bad it is? So you can really drill it into our thick skulls that the office is the worst show ever? Just flounce and be gone. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/30 "2013-04-26T23:07:02Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > Why would someone stay here if they felt it was so bad? So you can be sure we all know how bad it is? So you can really drill it into our thick skulls that the office is the worst show ever? > > Just flounce and be gone. Well, yes. But since I’ve told **koufax** to stop posting about this, please don’t engage him further. ---
**Author:** ![Shooby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f475e1/32.png) [@Shooby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shooby)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/31 "2013-04-26T23:37:45Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > Nor I; it felt forced, weird, and fake. > > Also, I really wish they had the balls to end the Jim and Pam thing. Pam just sucks now and I’d actually much rather see the writers have the balls to end it and have them find someone else (which they don’t do, of course). The embrace thing at the end felt kind of forced, but perhaps Jim the character _was_ forcing the embrace, and Pam the character was forcing herself to embrace back. Two estranged people trying to get back to the good times, I can see that. However, I really hope this doesn’t magically fix everything - their conflict hasn’t changed at all really. This should just be a reminder that “hey we still love each other”, but a solution still needs to be found. And if they don’t find one, they need to break up. Pam shouldn’t just magically change her mind and decide “Hey Jim I’m totally on board with your plans now, wassup Philly?” ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/32 "2013-04-26T23:45:32Z")
> [@Shooby](#): > > The embrace thing at the end felt kind of forced, but perhaps Jim the character _was_ forcing the embrace, and Pam the character was forcing herself to embrace back. Two estranged people trying to get back to the good times, I can see that. > > However, I really hope this doesn’t magically fix everything - their conflict hasn’t changed at all really. This should just be a reminder that “hey we still love each other”, but a solution still needs to be found. And if they don’t find one, they need to break up. Pam shouldn’t just magically change her mind and decide “Hey Jim I’m totally on board with your plans now, wassup Philly?” Not magic but a moment when the anger and tension Pam has been holding onto was suddenly released and you turn your feelings towards reconciliation and forgiveness. You make that decision that you value your marriage more than holding onto the anger and it really does snap you out of it that fast. At least it works like that in my personal experience. ---
**Author:** ![Zjestika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8edcca/32.png) [@Zjestika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zjestika)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/33 "2013-04-29T02:44:39Z")
Another interpretation is that Jim’s hug comes from a place of grief that he knows it’s ending and he wants to just hang on for a minute more. I know I’ve been there before, when your relationship is over, you know it, but you have to have that last moment of connection before you can let go. Not that that’s the direction they’re going to take it, unfortunately. It could be really moving to see two people who really care about each other have to split up, which they did do with Michael and Holly. I don’t know why they would shy away from it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/34 "2013-04-29T02:48:46Z")
Why would they shy away from it? Jim and Pam have been the central couple of the whole series and they’re going to give the viewers a happy ending. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/35 "2013-04-29T18:48:19Z")
> [@Zjestika](#): > > Not that that’s the direction they’re going to take it, unfortunately. It could be really moving to see two people who really care about each other have to split up, which they did do with Michael and Holly. I don’t know why they would shy away from it. Well, there are the two kids involved. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/36 "2013-04-29T18:55:11Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Why would they shy away from it? Jim and Pam have been the central couple of the whole series and they’re going to give the viewers a happy ending. Exactly. It’s going to end well for everyone, as it should. Dwight and Angela will be happy together. Jim and Pam too. Pete and Erin too. Maybe even Andy will find love. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/37 "2013-04-29T19:12:21Z")
I expect it to end like a fairy tale but the part of me that’s [too] emotionally invested in the characters hope that they all end up with new partners. The only couples on the show that found true love are the Vances and the Scotts. ---
**Author:** ![Zjestika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8edcca/32.png) [@Zjestika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zjestika)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/38 "2013-04-30T17:34:08Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Well, there are the two kids involved. There has been some really honest relationship stuff happen in The Office, as well as the absurd stuff. People with kids divorce all the time. I guess I find the false jeopardy unsatisfying and I’m hoping for a good ending, not just a happy one. I’m not rooting for Jim and Pam to split up, I just hope it’s resolved well, not easily. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/39 "2013-04-30T17:46:34Z")
> [@Zjestika](#): > > There has been some really honest relationship stuff happen in The Office, as well as the absurd stuff. People with kids divorce all the time. I guess I find the false jeopardy unsatisfying and I’m hoping for a good ending, not just a happy one. I’m not rooting for Jim and Pam to split up, I just hope it’s resolved well, not easily. I think that you’re going to be disappointed here. In fact, I think that the Jim and Pam thing has already been resolved and that we’re not going to hear about anymore strife between them. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774/40 "2013-04-30T17:52:18Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I think that you’re going to be disappointed here. In fact, I think that the Jim and Pam thing has already been resolved and that we’re not going to hear about anymore strife between them. I hope not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-4-25-paper-airplane/656774.md?page=3)