# The Office - Casino Night **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2006, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460 "2006-05-12T01:54:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/41 "2006-05-12T20:26:13Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] I’m not surprised, but I am relieved that they managed to avoid the HUGE cliche I saw coming. On a normal show, Jan and Jim would have had a depressed hookup that Michael and Pam would have stumbled into. Phew! Go Creed! Insane bastard. Poor Toby. He has to be one of the most depressing characters in anything, ever. -Joe [/QUOTE] Toby reminds me of Eeyore. Sad, sweet, loveable, loner type who’s been burned in the butt by life. But one of these days, Eeyore’s going to grab a shotgun and take everyone out. And Michael’s going to be first. I’m so glad they didn’t do the whole Jan/Jim thing - I was watching that part with horror until it finished and nothing happened. Geek that I am, I’ve been watching a couple of clips at work, and the scene in the parking lot and the kiss are still just incredibly moving. I really think Jenna Fischer and John Krasinski should get Emmy nods, not just for this episode, but for their whole season. They’ve done an amazing job of getting people invested in Pam and Jim. E. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/42 "2006-05-12T20:32:12Z")
It would take some pretty serious chops to be both the drummer and the lead singer in a Police cover band. Why would two very attractive women be interested in Michael? It was hard to suspend my disbelief for that. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/43 "2006-05-12T20:35:57Z")
Michael is a bit stupid and a little arrogant, but he also has some good qualities. Depending upon the situation, Michael could look like a great catch to some women. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/44 "2006-05-12T20:41:19Z")
I just want to add how shocked I am that Steve Carell was able to write such a good episode. It just seemed…not his style to me. I was actually kind of dreading it since its the finale, but he hit such a home run. I want him to write more. I know Carol(?)'s code name was “Real Estate”, but what did Dwight call Jan? ---
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/45 "2006-05-12T20:42:26Z")
[QUOTE=Mahaloth] I just want to add how shocked I am that Steve Carell was able to write such a good episode. It just seemed…not his style to me. I was actually kind of dreading it since its the finale, but he hit such a home run. I want him to write more. I know Carol(?)'s code name was “Real Estate”, but what did Dwight call Jan? [/QUOTE] “Lan Jevinson” Perfect Dwight-speak 😉 . ---
**Author:** ![samm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@samm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/46 "2006-05-12T20:45:32Z")
[QUOTE=DoctorJ] It would take some pretty serious chops to be both the drummer and the lead singer in a Police cover band. Why would two very attractive women be interested in Michael? It was hard to suspend my disbelief for that. [/QUOTE] My take on it was that neither of them were very interested in him until they realized that the other lady was, and then they became competitive. . . But, that doesn’t quite explain why Jan had brought an overnight bag with her does it? ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/47 "2006-05-12T20:59:36Z")
I think part of Michael’s appeal to Carole is how great he was with her kids in the birthday episode. And Jan has seemed pretty ambivalent at times about Michael. [QUOTE=Frylock] This is weird. My wife and I haven’t watched any TV for a couple of months now. Yesterday we watched the Office–which we thought was a great show when we used to watch it before–and when the whole Jim/Pam thing came to a head, we were both kind of cringing, dissappointed at how cliche everything seemed to be. Then when Jim walked in and kissed Pam in a later scene, we were both of a mindset something like “That’s just wrong–she said no, dude.” [/QUOTE] I agree with **Larry Mudd** that you probably need to have been watching all along in order to really appreciate everything that has gone into the build-up here. Also, I don’t have it recorded and therefore don’t know the dialogue from the parking lot scene, but my impression wasn’t so much that Pam said “No” as it was that she said “This can’t happen”. A subtle difference, but one that (in a TV show) does actually leave the door open a smidge. (In real life, it would probably actually be horrifying to have the person still follow you into the abandoned office and kiss you, so I certainly do appreciate what you are saying). ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/48 "2006-05-12T21:00:00Z")
Ya know, I started watching this show half way through this season and got hooked. So I have to ask… Why did Pam hook up with Roy in the first place? They make the guy out to be such a dolt that it makes Pam look pretty stupid for 1) Going out with a guy like this in the first place, and 2) Agreeing to marry the guy. So there’s got to be ‘something’ she likes about the guy. And yes I’ve known girls like this. They want some guys to be their best friends and their husband to be their husband, not their friend. Yes, it’s whacked but some girls are like this. So, if Pam was one of these ‘whacked’ girls how is Jim going to break her out of this mold? ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/49 "2006-05-12T21:02:17Z")
Jan has some serious, serious issues. And Michael was nice to her that one night when they ended up making out and talking all night, so he does have at least a semi-human side. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/50 "2006-05-12T21:03:15Z")
[QUOTE=Hampshire] Ya know, I started watching this show half way through this season and got hooked. So I have to ask… Why did Pam hook up with Roy in the first place? They make the guy out to be such a dolt that it makes Pam look pretty stupid for 1) Going out with a guy like this in the first place, and 2) Agreeing to marry the guy. So there’s got to be ‘something’ she likes about the guy. And yes I’ve known girls like this. They want some guys to be their best friends and their husband to be their husband, not their friend. Yes, it’s whacked but some girls are like this. So, if Pam was one of these ‘whacked’ girls how is Jim going to break her out of this mold? [/QUOTE] Intertia - it’s more than just for physics, you know! It’s also been implied that Roy is good in the sack - or at least Pam seems to think so. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![jimmmy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/73ab20/32.png) [@jimmmy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimmmy)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/51 "2006-05-12T21:07:23Z")
[QUOTE=robdavsuss] Was I the only one who laughed out loud at Michael’s Abraham Lincoln joke: “I want to go to the theatre like I need a hole in my head.” [/QUOTE] Nope. The Warehouse Manager teaching Michael to talk black Michael’ss mangled Cabret intro (with glow sticks) were both very, very funny to me ---
**Author:** ![some\_white\_dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b487fb/32.png) [@some\_white\_dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/some_white_dude)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/52 "2006-05-12T21:11:22Z")
[QUOTE=Hampshire] Why did Pam hook up with Roy in the first place? [/QUOTE] I think they’ve been engaged since the series began. There might have been an explanation why somewhere along the way, but I can’t remember it. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/53 "2006-05-12T21:11:28Z")
[QUOTE=jimmmy] Nope. The Warehouse Manager teaching Michael to talk black Michael’ss mangled Cabret intro (with glow sticks) were both very, very funny to me [/QUOTE] Yes, but I still think that the show is much funnier if Michael is a slightly-more-prominent-character, rather than when he’s “the star”. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/54 "2006-05-12T21:12:31Z")
[QUOTE=Team of Scientists] I think they’ve been engaged since the series began. There might have been an explanation why somewhere along the way, but I can’t remember it. [/QUOTE] Not really. It’s just one of those “been engaged forever” kind of things. I don’t think Roy even proposed until he was drunk on the Booze Cruise. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/55 "2006-05-12T21:18:29Z")
[QUOTE=Mahaloth] I know Carol(?)'s code name was “Real Estate”, but what did Dwight call Jan? [/QUOTE] Carol’s code name was Re/Max. Like no one would figure that out. I also liked how Pam gives Michael a ‘trial run’ with his phone calls. I wonder how many times a day she has to say, “Still me” ? I watched it again this afternoon and caught a bit at the beginning that I missed last night. Michael was saying he likes givign to charity because it makes him feel like a ‘philanderer.’ 😛 Contrary to what others have said, I like Toby. Look what the poor guy has to deal with - the idiot boss and the complaint box (from last week), and now he wants to have children at Casino night, where they’re having gambling and liquor and Hooter’s waitresses. I’m sure the warehouse guy went and let him know about Michael wanting flamethrowers in the warehouse (full of paper!), too. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/56 "2006-05-12T21:20:37Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] Not really. It’s just one of those “been engaged forever” kind of things. I don’t think Roy even proposed until he was drunk on the Booze Cruise. -Joe [/QUOTE] Hm. So it could be one of those “we’ve been dating since high school, we’ve never dated anyone else, we’ve grown apart since we were teens but never seemed to break up, so we might as well get married” type things? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/57 "2006-05-12T21:32:07Z")
[QUOTE=Hampshire] Hm. So it could be one of those “we’ve been dating since high school, we’ve never dated anyone else, we’ve grown apart since we were teens but never seemed to break up, so we might as well get married” type things? [/QUOTE] That’s the impression I’ve gotten – that it started as the pretty girl dating the jock and just stayed that way, At one time, Pam could have seen Roy as cute and popular and to be fair, he’s not really _evil_. He’s kind of shallow and insensitive and not very bright but we have no reason to believe he’s ever been abusive or unfaithful or anything. It’s more like she’s just outgrown him but is just staying with him because that’s what everybody expects her to do. ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2006, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/58 "2006-05-12T21:36:22Z")
Pam and Roy have been engaged for three years (mentioned several times in the first episode this season, “The Dundies”), and have dated since high school (according to Jenna Fischer’s blog, either on MySpace or [TVGuide.com](http://TVGuide.com)). Also, I think the person who implied Roy was good in the sack was Roy. 😉 If they’ve been together since high school, it’s possible that he’s the only guy Pam’s ever been with. ---
**Author:** ![gallows\_fodder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@gallows\_fodder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallows_fodder)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2006, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/59 "2006-05-13T02:21:51Z")
I’ve been thinking about this episode all day! God bless whoever posted the final scenes on [YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGD-MvIOltI). How cute was Pam’s expression when she held up the umbrella for the camera at the beginning? SO cute! And the little wink she gave Jim after that? Dude…I’m a girl, but I think I can safely say there is no girl on TV more adorable than Pam Beesley. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2006, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460/60 "2006-05-13T04:31:25Z")
[QUOTE=gallows fodder] I’ve been thinking about this episode all day! God bless whoever posted the final scenes on [YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGD-MvIOltI). How cute was Pam’s expression when she held up the umbrella for the camera at the beginning? SO cute! And the little wink she gave Jim after that? Dude…I’m a girl, but I think I can safely say there is no girl on TV more adorable than Pam Beesley. [/QUOTE] Just in case any of you geeks are getting ideas, I just want to state for the record that Jenna Fischer is **my girlfriend**. Or will be soon. Or some day. So there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-casino-night/356460.md?page=4)