# The Office Feb 12th '09 (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632 "2009-02-13T02:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/21 "2009-02-13T21:33:31Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Jim and Dwight may annoy the hell out of each other but they also like each other on a few levels. The scene this week where they are sitting next to each other enjoying eating the cake after amazingly pulling off a successful party that Kelly loved is evidence of that. Dwight even complimented Jim on the cake. > > Remember when Dwight got fired? As he left he gave Jim a big hug. After that Jim has a confessional where he uttered the best line in Office history. > > Jim: “I miss Dwight. Congratulations, Universe, you win.” > > * * * > > Thank Goodness that there wasn’t a preview at the end of this weeks episode. 😛 Plus, Dwight went to hug Jim again right after Jim had talked to him about the pain of losing a loved one’s affection. Jim got away. ---
**Author:** ![h.sapiens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e0b2c6/32.png) [@h.sapiens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/h.sapiens)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/22 "2009-02-13T21:40:50Z")
Yeah, Jim has played a lot of pretty mean practical jokes on Dwight in the past, but he and Pam also left a complimentary review of the Schrute Farm bed and breakfast on Trip Advisor. And when Jim and Dwight went on that sales call together, it turned out that they made a kind of awesome team. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/23 "2009-02-13T22:55:20Z")
For some reason, this was the line that made me laugh out loud: (Kevin, Oscar and Creed are watching the orange cat hump Princess Lady.) Kevin: And that other cat is _watching!_ ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/24 "2009-02-13T22:59:49Z")
Great episode! That scene with Dwight and Jim talking about birthday parties. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/25 "2009-02-13T23:05:02Z")
A lot of people hate this show because they’re squeamish about the comedy of embarrassment. This was the episode to send those people completely over the edge. **So** awkward. Is Kelly regressing further towards childhood every season? She’s behaving like a five-year-old lately. Giving her a midday nap was quite appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/26 "2009-02-13T23:07:15Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > So was Pam lying about Holly having feelings for Michael, or not? This was the most intriguing part of the episode. It could really go either way. I’m leaning towards she said that to make him feel better. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/27 "2009-02-13T23:09:24Z")
> [@Sigmagirl](#): > > Where, oh where was Andy? Did he take off after getting shot down by the client? How will he take it when he learns that Angela sold his $7000 engagement ring to buy a cat? You’ll never know. And that’s why this show is headed down the crapper (for me anyway). For the last 2 seasons they keep having these big incidents that build up and then there’s no payoff. We never get to see anything resolved on screen anymore. The most grevious example of this is Andy and Angelas wedding. There was what? 10 episodes or so of build up and then BANG. It’s over and for the most part is hardly even acknowledged as having happened now. I’m sure we will never hear anything else about the ring. Jim and Pam’s house. Shown and then nothing. Michael and Holly. Shown and then (mostly) nothing. They go to see her and she’s not there, though that’s what we were waiting for. Then he takes the word doc and we never get to hear what it says or read it beyond what Pam said. I’ll bet that doc is never mentioned again. Daryl and Kelly. A hot item and now it’s like they were never together. Angela and the old lady. Old lady ratted her out in a huge way and now it’s like it never happened. This is a TV show. I want to see things unfold on screen. I don’t want to see the shit hit the fan and then tune in next week and not see any aftermath. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/28 "2009-02-13T23:18:06Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > You’ll never know. And that’s why this show is headed down the crapper (for me anyway). For the last 2 seasons they keep having these big incidents that build up and then there’s no payoff. We never get to see anything resolved on screen anymore. > > The most grevious example of this is Andy and Angelas wedding. There was what? 10 episodes or so of build up and then BANG. It’s over and for the most part is hardly even acknowledged as having happened now. I’m sure we will never hear anything else about the ring. > Jim and Pam’s house. Shown and then nothing. > Michael and Holly. Shown and then (mostly) nothing. They go to see her and she’s not there, though that’s what we were waiting for. Then he takes the word doc and we never get to hear what it says or read it beyond what Pam said. I’ll bet that doc is never mentioned again. > Daryl and Kelly. A hot item and now it’s like they were never together. > Angela and the old lady. Old lady ratted her out in a huge way and now it’s like it never happened. > This is a TV show. I want to see things unfold on screen. I don’t want to see the shit hit the fan and then tune in next week and not see any aftermath. Its a show about an office. Even though a ton of stuff happens, in the end they all work together and they have to get on with it. It’s like when Jim and Pam got engaged, he didn’t announce it to everybody because it’s not really their business. (And no one really seemed to care). Andy’s not gonna spend every day talking about it. And there’s been three episodes since then. One was the super bowl ep, which was meant to be self-contained, and the other episode featured Andy trying to find someone new because his heart was broken. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/29 "2009-02-13T23:21:05Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > …The most grevious example of this is Andy and Angelas wedding. There was what? 10 episodes or so of build up and then BANG… I know. I’m so pissed that they didn’t actually make it too the wedding itself _& then have Andy find out_. I wanted to see that bizarro wedding at Schrute Farms they planned. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/30 "2009-02-13T23:47:57Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > Daryl and Kelly. A hot item and now it’s like they were never together. Why should they mention it? Ryan broke them up because he “couldn’t do better” than Kelly, and then he dumped Kelly because he didn’t want to be with her. Daryl and Kelly probably don’t even see each other during the day, because she’s the annex and he’s in the warehouse. Nobody in the main office has any reason to talk about Daryl/Kelly because they probably don’t care, and none of the episodes since they broke-up has had any reason for the two of them to talk to the camera and mention each other. The “documentary” covers stuff that happens in an Office. Sometimes, their personal lives bleeds over to what you see in front of the camera. Sometimes, it doesn’t. That’s not a weakness in the show. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/31 "2009-02-14T01:17:11Z")
> [@pepperlandgirl](#): > > The “documentary” covers stuff that happens in an Office. Sometimes, their personal lives bleeds over to what you see in front of the camera. Sometimes, it doesn’t. That’s not a weakness in the show. That’s not even CLOSE to true anymore. Since season 2 I would say the MAJORITY of the show has been outside the office with a HEAVY percentage of shows focused on their personal lives. Those of you that don’t agree with me that’s fine, but don’t try to say the show follows some MO that it clearly doesn’t just to justify the lack of on-screen story development of the last 2 seasons. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/32 "2009-02-14T04:49:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Angela and the old lady. Old lady ratted her out in a huge way and now it’s like it never happened. Erm…assuming you’re talking about Phyllis (how long can you have watched the show if you can’t remember Phyllis’s name?), she’s about 46 years old, and is the same age as Michael. She _hardly_ looks like an “old lady.” Jesus. I’m really surprised that so many people liked this episode. I am soooooo not one of those tedious types who’s always harping “worst. episode. ever.” each week, and I don’t think this was the WEE anyway, but I was extremely unhappy with this outing. I didn’t mind the cringeworthiness; I mean, that’s what _The Office_ is all about. It was the way the writers turned these characters into cartoons. I mean, Angela has gone from a woman who’s a bit overprotective of her cats to an utter freak who licks them clean and watches them on a nanny cam. Pam, rather than finding a graceful way out of the situation, actually does the _Forrest Gump_ voice. Dwight can’t find the strength to blow up balloons. Kelly is delighted to take a bleedin’ _nap_ for a birthday party. Jim couldn’t be arsed to find a decent cake at Carvel. And Michael crawls out of a meeting like an infant and goes on a nonstop rant about Tony the fatty fatty fat fat. I loved _Stress Relief_ and the first half of _Lecture Circuit_ was pretty good. But I found this half awful and not funny. This joins _Frame Toby_ and the pilot as my least favorite episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/33 "2009-02-14T04:53:21Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Erm…assuming you’re talking about Phyllis (how long can you have watched the show if you can’t remember Phyllis’s name?), she’s about 46 years old, and is the same age as Michael. She _hardly_ looks like an “old lady.” Jesus. I’ve watched every episode but for some reason drew a blank while typing my post. Didn’t feel like looking it up. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Michael Scott (and now other cast members) are infected with “Homer Simpsonitis” which amplifies their quirks and makes them seem dumber than a box of rocks for laughs. Except the laughs get fewer and far between until you stop watching all together. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/34 "2009-02-14T04:57:44Z")
I’ve always known Angela was crazy, but now…wow. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/35 "2009-02-14T06:52:27Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > You’ll never know. And that’s why this show is headed down the crapper (for me anyway). For the last 2 seasons they keep having these big incidents that build up and then there’s no payoff. We never get to see anything resolved on screen anymore. \ I actually appreciate that, because it’s just like life. In real life, you find out that your boss has a doctor’s appointment with an oncologist, then you don’t hear anything more about it. Your co-worker does something weird, and there are no consequences that you get to see. People quit or are fired, and you never find out why. You only get to see bits of other people’s lives, and there rarely is any resolution to anything. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/36 "2009-02-14T13:54:19Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > I actually appreciate that, because it’s just like life. In real life, you find out that your boss has a doctor’s appointment with an oncologist, then you don’t hear anything more about it. Your co-worker does something weird, and there are no consequences that you get to see. People quit or are fired, and you never find out why. You only get to see bits of other people’s lives, and there rarely is any resolution to anything. Yeah but your boss and your co-worker aren’t on a TV show that you are watching. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/37 "2009-02-14T16:26:25Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > That’s not even CLOSE to true anymore. Since season 2 I would say the MAJORITY of the show has been outside the office with a HEAVY percentage of shows focused on their personal lives. Come now, a majority? I’m sure that’s not true. And much of the time when they are out of the office it is on office-related business, like Michael’s speaking tour in the past two episodes. The romantic lives of Dunder-Mifflin employees have driven many of the storylines over the years (the entire Roy/Pam/Jim/Karen thing of course, but also Ryan/Kelly/Darryl, Dwight/Angela/Andy, and Jan/Michael/Holly), but the majority of that has played out at the office or during work-related social events like Casino Night or Toby’s goodbye party. We’ve rarely seen people’s homes or private gatherings. We’ve seen that Michael is quite willing to allow the camera crew to follow him around outside the office, but Jim and Pam are more reluctant and even attempted to deceive the crew early in their relationship. Angela probably wouldn’t tolerate it; note that in this episode the nanny-cam was used as a device to see Angela at home rather than the film crew. The crew (understandably) doesn’t appear to be especially interested in following Kelly around. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/38 "2009-02-14T17:23:32Z")
And the important thing is that whenever we see non-office related things going on outside the Office, it always involves multiple people from the Office. We might see Pam and Jim go on a date, but we never saw anything about Jim and that other girl (the one he broke up with on the booze cruise) except when she was at the office. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/39 "2009-02-14T18:29:14Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > And the important thing is that whenever we see non-office related things going on outside the Office, it always involves multiple people from the Office. We might see Pam and Jim go on a date, but we never saw anything about Jim and that other girl (the one he broke up with on the booze cruise) except when she was at the office. Have we even seen Jim and Pam on a date? The closest I can remember is the lunch where Pam met Jim’s brothers, which was justified by Pam wanting to show off her (ill thought out) prank. And knowing what his brothers were like, Jim may have hoped that the presence of a camera crew would keep them on good behavior! The crew also followed Jim on one visit to Pam in NYC, but he got rid of them when he wanted some alone time with Pam. The rest stop proposal scene was apparently filmed without Jim or Pam’s knowledge. IIRC the dinner where Angela breaks up with Dwight was also filmed from a distance and possibly without their knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632/40 "2009-02-14T20:00:28Z")
I thought this was a horrible episode. Not one bit of it was funny to me. I almost feel like they were trying to make it bad - the joke is to see how bad it can be and still have people watch. I think I’m taking it off the record list. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-office-feb-12th-09-open-spoilers/485632.md?page=3)