# The official "Mr. Moto is a clueless right-wing Republican shill" thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 29, 2005, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797 "2005-07-29T19:54:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/241 "2005-08-02T13:53:17Z")
> [@The Highwayman](#): > > The interesting thing about this whole discussion is the question “why in the world should we listen to Republicans about the future of our party?” No. The discussion is why should you listen to **independants** about the future of your party. I’ll tell you why: There are more independants than either republicans or democrats. We are the ones who tip the scales and win elections. Ignore us at your peril. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/242 "2005-08-02T14:00:03Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > Except, you have yet to prove that they are on the “fringe.” That “they” are on the fringe, now you question? You were only questioning Dean at first, so I figured you were conceding the others. Are you seriously going to argue that Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry aren’t on the left fringe of the American political spectrum? If so: Who is? > [@](#): > > Bush bashing, I’ll give you. But, surely, there’s more to being a liberal than just Bush bashing. There doesn’t really need to be. The democrat party chose a chairman who is basically known for being a huge Bush basher who has great appeal to the lunatic fringe of the party and not the center. I’ve already admitted that, yes, his actual policy decisions from when Dean was a governor are hardly ultra-liberal. But, that was a long time ago in political terms. When he was chosen for the position that leads the direction of the party they knew what they were getting: a verbal molitov cocktail thrower who would fire up the party’s base and alienate the center. This is indicitive of how far outside the mainstream the whole party is that they actually think this guy would do more good than harm to the party. > [@](#): > > Nothing he has said is worse than what Newt Gingrich or Karl Rove has said about the Democrats. Bullshit, yourself. Please show some quotes by Gingrich or Rove that are equivicable with the hate speak that Dean has thrown out there in the past year. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/243 "2005-08-02T14:05:01Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It’s undisputable? Really? Well, darn, and here I was all set to dispute it, and I find out it can’t be done. It certainly wasn’t done by the rest of your post there. Do you really think the Democrats are closer to the center on national defense and public displays of religion? Please explain how they are. As for law and order, a reaction to liberal sentencing reforms instituted by liberal judges and racially based policing by Democratic mayors did serious damage to the Democratic Party, even leading to Republican gains in the cities. Such things would have been seen as unthinkable in the old machine politics days. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/244 "2005-08-02T14:06:15Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > With all due respect, **Shodan** , you didn’t win the last election: you merely voted for the guy whose strategy won. That’s a little different. No, it isn’t any different. If it makes you feel any better to say, “Republicans didnt actually win, they just got more votes”, fine, then Republicans didn’t win. Or, if you are saying, “I’d rather be right than President”, also fine by me. It is certainly likely that eventually, Democrats will regain the White House or control of one or both houses of Congress. But I rather think the “BushSux” campaign strategy will also not succeed terribly well in 2008. > [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Certain Republicans on this board seem to think that voting for the winning party is an astonishing display of insight and political acumen on their parts. If you are talking about me, that is not exactly what I have been talking about. What I have been talking about is that Republicans in the last couple of elections are a bit more in touch with what the majority of the electorate thinks. Not liberals. And this is what liberals on the SDMB seem to not be able to get. **That** is what is astonishing. Not that I (or **Bricker** ) picked the winner in the last election. That it was so clear, and so obvious, and so irrefutably true, and beyond any question _whatsoever_ that Bush was the worst President evah. It had been proven, with absolute certainty, a thousand times over, that he was the weakest possible candidate, lacking any qualifications whatever. The war on terror was a complete, unmitigated disaster. The economy was in shambles. Bush’s positions were radically, horrifically out of sync with the American mainstream. There was simply no question about it. We shouted down everybody who disagreed, so it must be true. And then he won. And the nine months since have been a sustained effort by most of the Usual Suspects to try to find a way to deny this. It can’t be that the Democrats lost. It **can’t**. Therefore it must have been the Diebold machines, or election fraud, or, or, something. It should have been a cakewalk, and it turned out to be a loss. Again. But you don’t think that shows any lack of insight by one side. OK by me, as I have mentioned before. If you want to say, “Republicans didn’t win, they just control the White House and Congress”, I am willing to accept the loss. And hope for an unbroken string of such losses for the next twenty years or so. 🙂 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/245 "2005-08-02T14:12:39Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, it isn’t any different.[…] What a not-so-stunning complete misunderstanding of the point. I’m sure **LHOD** will be along shortly to clarify. I’ll just put it plainly. HE WAS SAYING YOU AREN’T “THE ARCHITECT.” Headslap in five…four…three… ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/246 "2005-08-02T14:27:10Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > That “they” are on the fringe, now you question? You were only questioning Dean at first, so I figured you were conceding the others. Are you seriously going to argue that Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry aren’t on the left fringe of the American political spectrum? If so: Who is? In my view, Pelosi, Dean, and Kennedy are guilty as charged. Kerry - not so much. While his record as a Senator certainly invites that view, I’d say it also shows a march rightward, with - unsurprisingly - a sharp spike in progress as the Presidential election rolled on. But as a candidate, Senator Kerry was reasonably main-stream and centrist, and I don’t think he qualifies as “left fringe.” > [@elucidator](#): > > National defense? Come now, **Moto** , this is strictly party-line parrotry. The cheese-eating surrender monkeys are the French, not the Democrats. Law and order? The pale and ghastly spectre of Richard Milhous rises from the crypt, intoning vague threats of Democratic anarchy, liberal judges coddling criminals and wild-eyed flag burning hippies running amok. Amok! Amok! Who will save us from such dread fate? Why, the very same people who alerted us to the terrible threat, which we might otherwise not have noticed. > > Religion in the public sphere? Which one? The Presbyterian God, the Catholic God, or the fire-breathing Pentecostalist Wrath of God? The whole point of seperation of church/state is not to make such a decision, God makes a lousy candidate. Nationhood as democracy is more a covenant than a communion. Most people who claim a devotion to God in the public sphere presume that it is, of course, _their_ God who is to be invoked and adored. Sez who? The more content-free, eloquent BS **elucidator** spouts, the less point he has. That’s a tip, kids. Write it down. It doesn’t do you any good to try to deconstruct “religion in the public sphere” and point out the flaws of implementation if the goal is to show how the Democrats are closer to the public mainstream on the issue. The points you raise are certainly useful to determine if the policy is _wise_, or _practical_, or _workable_. It means little in a discussion that’s simply asking what the general public’s view is in relation to the platform of a particular party. So, too, with national defense, although this is a closer question, because I think the Democrats’ _actual views_ are closer to the mainstream than the public’s _perception_ of their actual views. In other words, the Republicans have done an effective job in painting the Democrats as weak on national defense by exaggerating that weakness. Here, you can at least argue that what Joe Average thinks the Democrats stand for is not what they actually stand for. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/247 "2005-08-02T14:35:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > In my view, Pelosi, Dean, and Kennedy are guilty as charged. Kerry - not so much. While his record as a Senator certainly invites that view, I’d say it also shows a march rightward, with - unsurprisingly - a sharp spike in progress as the Presidential election rolled on. But as a candidate, Senator Kerry was reasonably main-stream and centrist, and I don’t think he qualifies as “left fringe.” He did try hard to hide his liberal nature when running. He didn’t do a very good job of it, though. I thought it was very clear that he was a liberal in moderates clothing. This is an interesting point, actually. When Kerry was running there clearly was an effort to appeal to the middle and tone down an obviously liberal candidate. (I’m saying liberal based on his voting record. He was the single most liberal senator in the US, remember?) His handlers had him out there hunting geese, even! However, since the elections, the Democrats seem to have given up on even trying to fool the voters into thinking they are moderates. You see it all the time in mesg boards such as the SDMB “We need to stop being republican lite and actually stand for something! Yaaaarh!” The selection of Dean for DNC chairman and Pelosi as minority leader seems to be the party at large going with this attitude. A good example of somebody not drinking the cool aid is Hillary Clinton. Although I do think she is a big government liberal at heart, she seems able of grasping the concept of appealing to the middle at least in appearances to gain popularity. However, right now she seems to be the exception rather than the rule. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/248 "2005-08-02T14:49:10Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > His handlers had him out there hunting geese, even! I’m reasonably convinced that the results of the election were not due so much to the issues, as to the success of the Republican Party in instilling memes such as this in the electorate. Kerry has always been a hunter. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/249 "2005-08-02T14:59:32Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I’m reasonably convinced that the results of the election were not due so much to the issues, as to the success of the Republican Party in instilling memes such as this in the electorate. Kerry has always been a hunter. I’ve always been a hunter, and I found Kerrys attempts at portraying himself as a hunter silly. He had some quotes out there about deer hunting that were laughable. It was clear from hearing him talk about the subject that he didn’t know the first thing about it. Further, Kerry actually voted to pass many anti-gun laws. It was a good thing, though to see candidates from both sides of the aisle kissing ass of hunters, even if one of them didn’t mean it. It’s good to know that even if an anti-gun politician is elected he will at least have to go back on his word to pass laws against guns and hunting when in office. It’s nice to see gun owners and sportsmen getting the respect they deserve from all candidates during an election. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/250 "2005-08-02T15:03:07Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Further, Kerry actually voted to pass many anti-gun laws… I fail to see why see why someone can’t be pro-hunting and also support laws controlling military weapons that are useless in hunting game. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/251 "2005-08-02T15:06:43Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > That “they” are on the fringe, now you question? You were only questioning Dean at first, so I figured you were conceding the others. Are you seriously going to argue that Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry aren’t on the left fringe of the American political spectrum? Well, I wasn’t really conceding them, but I singled out Dean because I knew his position offhand on various issues and they weren’t particularly liberal. I am much less familiar with the other three’s position (yes, even Kerry’s, part of the reason he failed in his bid - nobody knew what the hell his position on stuff was). But, yes, please show me specific policies that show the other three are on “the fringe.” You made the claim, you back it up. And a few verbal jabs don’t count as policies. > [@](#): > > This is indicitive of how far outside the mainstream the whole party is that they actually think this guy would do more good than harm to the party. In other words, you concede that you can’t name a single policy or position that he has advocated that is on “the fringe.” > [@](#): > > Bullshit, yourself. Please show some quotes by Gingrich or Rove that are equivicable with the hate speak that Dean has thrown out there in the past year. From Gingrich: “The Democrats in the Capitol building get up every morning knowing that to survive they need to do only two things: they lie regularly and they cheat.” From Rove: “Al Jazeera now broadcasts to the region the words of Senator Durbin, certainly putting America’s men and women in uniform in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals.” ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/252 "2005-08-02T15:06:48Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > What a not-so-stunning complete misunderstanding of the point. I’m sure **LHOD** will be along shortly to clarify. I’ll just put it plainly. HE WAS SAYING YOU AREN’T “THE ARCHITECT.” > > Headslap in five…four…three… I’m not claiming to be the architect, shit-for-brains, I am claiming to be a Republican. You know, a member of the party who won the election. Also a Doper who has pointed out in the past that the SDMB is often no more than an echo chamber for the extreme Left. I am also claiming to be one of those who snickers under his breath when [some clueless dolt demonstrates his “insight” by predicting a big win for Kerry](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5438940&highlight=Kerry#post5438940). Sitck your head slap up your ass. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/253 "2005-08-02T15:10:05Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > I fail to see why see why someone can’t be pro-hunting and also support laws controlling military weapons that are useless in hunting game. What are you referring to? Kerry has voted for many gun bans that were not “military weapons”, whatever that means. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/254 "2005-08-02T15:16:54Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > What are you referring to? Kerry has voted for many gun bans that were not “military weapons”, whatever that means. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/255 "2005-08-02T15:21:37Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I’m not claiming to be the architect, shit-for-brains, I am claiming to be a Republican. You know, a member of the party who won the election. Also a Doper who has pointed out in the past that the SDMB is often no more than an echo chamber for the extreme Left. > > I am also claiming to be one of those who snickers under his breath when [some clueless dolt demonstrates his “insight” by predicting a big win for Kerry](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5438940&highlight=Kerry#post5438940). > > Sitck your head slap up your ass. Oh, I understand now. The pattern is: Someone: **Shodan** , you’re wrong in some way. **Shodan** : \ No, not really. **Someone** : Yes, look at this. **Shodan** : Fuck you! \. OK. Good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/256 "2005-08-02T15:24:29Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > But, yes, please show me specific policies that show the other three are on “the fringe.” You made the claim, you back it up. And a few verbal jabs don’t count as policies. I’ll get back to this with cites in a minute. > [@](#): > > In other words, you concede that you can’t name a single policy or position that he has advocated that is on “the fringe.” No. That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’ve clearly stated why the selection of Dean as DNC chairman is indicative of the party moving in a loony leftward direction. You can agree or disagree, but please don’t pretend that I haven’t made a solid case. This much is clear to any reasonable person. It’ll be more clear to you when Dean’s insane rhetoric costs you votes in the next election. > [@](#): > > From Gingrich: > “The Democrats in the Capitol building get up every morning knowing that to survive they need to do only two things: they lie regularly and they cheat.” Great. You found one quote. Do you have a cite for this? When did he say this? Was it when he was a leader of the party or later when he simply works for Fox News? Did he say this in a prepared speech or did he simply say it off the cuff in a conversation? > [@](#): > > From Rove: > “Al Jazeera now broadcasts to the region the words of Senator Durbin, certainly putting America’s men and women in uniform in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals.” This is a more recent quote. Rove has an excellent point here. This quote is quite true. I don’t read him to be talking about all liberals, but liberals like Durbin who make statements that can be used by our enemies against us. Don’t forget what remarks of Durbin Rove was talking about. Durbin compared American actions at Gitmo to Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. Rove’s response to this is hardly one hundreth as offensive as the original statement by Durbin. In any case, a couple of quotes by a couple of Rebublicans certainly do not put them on the same level as someone like Dean who has made a point of bashing Bush and republicans at every speech he does. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/257 "2005-08-02T15:27:50Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > Cite? [cite](http://www.nrapvf.org/kerry/default.aspx) > [@](#): > > FACT: Kerry co-sponsors a bill that would ban all semi-automatic shotguns and detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles, a gigantic step toward bringing Australian-style gun control to the U.S.1 > > FACT: Kerry says, "I think you ought to tax all ammunition, personally, I think you ought to tax guns."2 > > FACT: Kerry has voted nine times in favor of banning semi-auto firearms.3 > > FACT: Kerry has voted for a Ted Kennedy amendment to ban most center-fire rifle ammunition, including the most common rounds used by hunters and target shooters.4 > > FACT: Kerry has voted to close off hundreds of thousands of acres of the California Mojave Desert to hunting.5 > > FACT:Kerry has voted to hold the highly regulated American firearms industry legally responsible for the illegal acts of violent criminals.6 > > FACT: Kerry was one of only 18 Senators to oppose the Firearms Owners` Protection Act, which ended alarming abuses being committed under the 1968 Gun Control Act.7 > > FACT:Kerry was one of only 29 Senators to vote to prohibit gun manufacturers from discharging debts created by the reckless lawsuits filed by municipalities.8 > > FACT:Kerry has voted to allow BATF to conduct unlimited warrantless inspections of FFL holders.9 > > FACT: Kerry has voted to criminalize legal sales between private individuals at gun shows.10 > > FACT: Kerry has voted to impose penalties of a year in prison and a $10,000 fine on an adult if a juvenile steals a firearm from him, and then merely displays it in a public place.11 > > FACT: Kerry has voted to force many small firearms dealers out of business, which would have impacted both the availability and price of guns, particularly in rural areas.12 > > FACT: Kerry has voted 11 times to force law-abiding citizens to wait to exercise their Second Amendment rights. He voted to keep the federal waiting period after the National Instant Check System was in place.13 > > FACT: Kerry voted twice to eliminate the Civilian Marksmanship Program.14 > > FACT: Kerry wants to silence gun owners` voices. When NRA sought the same exemption from campaign finance rules that news organizations have, Kerry called that effort "hijacking America`s airwaves."15 > > FACT: Kerry commended the Million Mom March for their march on Washington that included calls for gun owner licensing, gun registration and other restrictions on law-abiding gun owners.16 > > FACT: John Kerry has a 100% voting record with, and earned the endorsement of the Brady Campaign (Formerly Handgun Control, Inc.)—a group that says you have no right to own any gun. And, he repeatedly earns the support of PETA and the Humane Society of the United States—groups who openly want to ban all hunting in America. > > 1. Signed on as co-sponsor of S. 1431 on Nov. 21, 2003. > > 2. CNN “Late Edition,” Nov. 7, 1993. > > 3. Vote No. 24, March 2, 2004; Vote No. 295, Aug. 25, 1994; Vote No. 294, Aug. 25, 1994; Vote No. 293, Aug. 25, 1994; Vote No. 375, Nov. 17, 1993; Vote No. 365, Nov. 9, 1993; Vote No. 133, June 28, 1990; Vote No. 103, May 23, 1990; Vote No. 102, May 23, 1990. > > 4. Vote No. 28, March 2, 2004. > > 5. Vote No. 87, April 12, 1994. > > 6. Vote No. 24, March 2, 2004; Vote No. 25, March 2, 2004 (“poison pill” amendments). > > 7. Vote No. 142, July 9, 1985. > > 8. Vote No. 4, Feb. 2, 2000. > > 9. Vote No. 140, July 9, 1985. > > 10. Vote No. 134, May 20, 1999; Vote No. 25, March 2, 2004. > > 11. Vote No. 118, May 14, 1999; Vote No. 224, July 22, 1998. > > 12. Vote No. 227, July 30, 1993. > > 13. Vote No. 141, July 9, 1985; Vote No. 115, June 28, 1991; Vote No. 113, June 28, 1991; Vote No. 278, Nov. 27, 1991; Vote No. 53, Mar. 19, 1992; Vote No. 262, Oct. 2, 1992; Vote No. 385, Nov. 19, 1993; Vote No. 386, Nov. 19, 1993; Vote No. 387, Nov. 19, 1993; Vote No. 390, Nov. 19, 1993; Vote No. 394, Nov. 20, 1993. > > 14. Vote No. 325 Oct. 12, 1993; Vote No. 178, June 27, 1996. > > 15. Vote No. 64, April 2, 2001; “Kerry asks FEC to Block NRA Channel,” AP, Dec. 9, 2003. > > 16. Vote No. 104, May 17, 2000. > > Copyright 2004, National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action. This may be reproduced. It may not be reproduced for commercial purposes. (Mods: I’ve reproduced just about the whole page here, but the copyright at the bottom says that I’m allowed to.) ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/258 "2005-08-02T15:29:09Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > Cite? Oh, and answer my question: What are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/259 "2005-08-02T15:33:02Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I’m not claiming to be the architect, shit-for-brains, I am claiming to be a Republican. You know, a member of the party who won the election. Also a Doper who has pointed out in the past that the SDMB is often no more than an echo chamber for the extreme Left. Look, dummy. **LHOD** was never contending that Republicans did not win the election. His point, you stupid stupid motherfucker, was that Joe Republican can make no claim to speak as an expert at how to win elections merely because they voted for the team that won the election. Go ahead and compound your foolishness by missing the point yet again. YOU ARE NOT THE ARCHITECT. YOU ARE MERELY A VOTER. You have no special insight into how to win elections because you voted for a winner. Now, you may not be the Architect, but you do seem very much like a turd blossom. Without the blossom, of course. > [@](#): > > I am also claiming to be one of those who snickers under his breath when [some clueless dolt demonstrates his “insight” by predicting a big win for Kerry](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5438940&highlight=Kerry#post5438940). Under your breath? Don’t be a pussy; just come out and do it outright. Gee, did I turn out to be wrong? Wow, I guess I should acknowledge that somewhere. > [@](#): > > Sitck your head slap up your ass. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797/260 "2005-08-02T15:37:19Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > But, yes, please show me specific policies that show the other three are on “the fringe.” You made the claim, you back it up. And a few verbal jabs don’t count as policies. [cite](http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040301-085725-5267r.htm): > [@](#): > > National Journal, the non-ideological, authoritative weekly magazine that covers Washington politics and policy, issued its congressional vote ratings for 2003 last week. Not surprisingly, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, who is increasingly looking like a cinch to be his party’s presidential nominee, found himself in familiar territory. Once again, Mr. Kerry has staked out the far-left fringe on the National Journal’s liberal-conservative continuum. > > On a scale that ranges from 0 to 100, Mr. Kerry compiled a composite liberal score for 2003 of 96.5, the highest in the Senate. He eclipsed proud liberals like Paul Sarbanes (94.7) of Maryland, Barbara Boxer (91.2) of California, Tom Harkin (89.3) of Iowa and the Senate’s liberal lion, Edward Kennedy (88.3), his Massachusetts colleague. It was the fourth time in his 20-year Senate career that Mr. Kerry compiled a composite voting record that was unsurpassed in its liberalism by any of the other 99 members of the Senate. Based on his position on issues Kerry is the most liberal member of the Senate, and Kennedy is not far behind. [cite](http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H0222103&type=category&category=National%20Journal) > [@](#): > > 2004 According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy’s calculations, in 2004, Representative Pelosi voted more liberal on social policy issues than 88 percent of the Representatives. > > 2004 According to the National Journal - Liberal on Economic Policy’s calculations, in 2004, Representative Pelosi voted more liberal on economic policy issues than 93 percent of the Representatives. > > 2004 According to the National Journal - Conservative on Economic Policy calculations, in 2004 Representative Pelosi voted more conservative on economic policy issues than 6 percent of Representatives. > > 2004 According to the National Journal - Liberal on Foreign Policy’s calculations, in 2004, Representative Pelosi voted more liberal on foreign policy issues than 81 percent of the Representatives. > > 2004 According to the National Journal - Conservative on Foreign Policy’s calculations, in 2004, Representative Pelosi voted more conservative on foreign policy issues than 18 percent of the Representatives. > > 2004 According to the National Journal - Conservative on Social Policy’s calculations, in 2004, Representative Pelosi voted more conservative on social policy issues than 0 percent of the Representatives. Clearly Nancy Pelosi is on the fringe left. This is the woman who was chosen to lead the party as minority leader. It’s rather silly to even deny that these people are far to the left of the mainstream. It’s widely accepted as the truth for good reason. It really just betrays your own bias if you cannot see it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-official-mr-moto-is-a-clueless-right-wing-republican-shill-thread/314797.md?page=14)